London Knights 2018-19 Season Thread (Part 3)

[Drop the Puck]

Christian Sbaraglia
Penn State

Lol

 

[nelli27]

Really? What are names of all these players that have de-commited from some those teams? Saginaw? Niagara? Barrie? Erie?

Perhaps, Windsor and Kitchener have had some, but is their list really that long too?

Just curious...why have you not expended any energy on critiquing the Windsor organization for its violations from a few years back? (Windsor fans please don't respond to this. As you know I'm making a point about a poster's consistency and not taking a shot at you guys).
Any complaints against the 2005 Memorial Cup team? Seems like they would be immune from any criticism. Agreed?
As for your list, that speaks to a GM who leaves no stone unturned. What does it matter if London's list of de-commits is longer? Shouldn't the other teams share the blame in your eyes?
After all, a murderer who kills 2 people and one who kills 10 is still a murderer.

 

[Snippit]

Facts! Here you go. Name the teams that have a comparable list of de-committed players?

Kevin Montgomery (Ohio State)
Jarred Tinordi (Notre Dame)
David Meckler (Yale)
John Carlson (UMass)
Patrick Kane (Boston University)
Max Domi (University of Michigan)
Anthony Stolarz (University of Nebraska-Omaha)
Michael McCarron (Western Michigan)
Mitch Marner (University of Michigan)
Matthew Tkachuk (Notre Dame)
Christian Dvorak (Wisconsin)
J.J. Piccinich (Boston University)
Sam Miletic (University of Michigan)
Ian Blacker (Western Michigan)
Jacob Golden (Harvard University)
Alec Regula (University of Michigan)
Antonio Stranges (University of Michigan)
Paul Cotter (Western Michigan)

Good players want to play for good organizations. Success breeds success. It starts by building a reputable organization. That's what the Hunters did - it wasn't always like this.

Plus, what was stopping other teams from drafting guys like Bouchard, Formenton, Foudy and Thomas? Nothing. London has done a great job drafting players in general - even when you take out non-Americans.

 

[Sam14]

Good players want to play for good organizations. Success breeds success. It starts by building a reputable organization. That's what the Hunters did - it wasn't always like this.

Plus, what was stopping other teams from drafting guys like Bouchard, Formenton, Foudy and Thomas? Nothing. London has done a great job drafting players in general - even when you take out non-Americans.

Bouchard, Formenton, Foudy and Thomas were outstanding picks! 100% respect to the LKs.

 

[Otto]

Facts! Here you go. Name the teams that have a comparable list of de-committed players?

Kevin Montgomery (Ohio State)
Jarred Tinordi (Notre Dame)
David Meckler (Yale)
John Carlson (UMass)
Patrick Kane (Boston University)
Max Domi (University of Michigan)
Anthony Stolarz (University of Nebraska-Omaha)
Michael McCarron (Western Michigan)
Mitch Marner (University of Michigan)
Matthew Tkachuk (Notre Dame)
Christian Dvorak (Wisconsin)
J.J. Piccinich (Boston University)
Sam Miletic (University of Michigan)
Ian Blacker (Western Michigan)
Jacob Golden (Harvard University)
Alec Regula (University of Michigan)
Antonio Stranges (University of Michigan)
Paul Cotter (Western Michigan)

Except a lot of those players were not drafted... they were free agents and in the case of Domi he was drafted by Kingston

 

[Sam14]

Christian Sbaraglia
Penn State

Lol

I love it! Thank you!

 

[Snippit]

Except a lot of those players were not drafted... they were free agents and in the case of Domi he was drafted by Kingston

Was gonna mention that too.

Is recruiting free agents inherently bad for the league now, as well as getting late fliers to commit? Getting talent into the league is a good thing. Every team in the OHL has the ability to recruit free agents.

Alex DeBrincat was one of the most successful free agent signings in OHL history. Saginaw has had a ton of success getting high end Americans recently as late round fliers.

Recruiting is just a part of management's job. This isn't the NHL - drafting someone doesn't guarantee they're coming to play for you.

 

[Sam14]

Just curious...why have you not expended any energy on critiquing the Windsor organization for its violations from a few years back? (Windsor fans please don't respond to this. As you know I'm making a point about a poster's consistency and not taking a shot at you guys).
Any complaints against the 2005 Memorial Cup team? Seems like they would be immune from any criticism. Agreed?
As for your list, that speaks to a GM who leaves no stone unturned. What does it matter if London's list of de-commits is longer? Shouldn't the other teams share the blame in your eyes?
After all, a murderer who kills 2 people and one who kills 10 is still a murderer.

Ok this is a little funny and I do love the LKs passion but I we have lost sight of the actual decision and not so much about how great the Lks are (and yes they are).

No one is directly accusing the London Knights of anything!

Ohl fans are simply voicing their concerns with the current draft system in place and nothing more!

With all their resources, London is able to use a flawed draft system to accumulate all the high calibre talent almost un-contested.

With a different set of rules, players like Matthew Tkachuk, Christian Dvorak, Alec Regula and Antonio Stranges just to name a few would NOT be a knights.

So with that being the case, as in impartial ohl fans, if london could be this successful under a REVAMPED draft system, I would be the first to acknowledge their incredible success.

Until that draft system has changed LKs accomplishments will always be viewed under a huge shadow of doubt and fans will continue to place a self-imposed asterisks beside their successes.

REVISED DRAFT RULES
1.1 A Canadian or American born player interested in playing in the OHL(CHL) must declare their intent by filing an eligibility form 7 days prior to the draft.
1.2 A signed eligibility form confirms that the player will play for the OHL team that draft him.
1.3 In the event, a drafted player decides to not report to pursue other options (e.g., USHL or NCAA hockey commitment), the player will forfeit all future CHL options and cannot reapply to OHL (CHL) Draft in subsequent years. The team losing the drafted player receives an equivalent compensatory pick in the following OHL Priority Draft.
1.4 In the event, a drafted player indicates they will not report, but would like to play in the OHL, the team has until August 28th of the current year to complete a trade. The trade can include a 1st or 2nd player from the previous year’s draft and any agreed upon draft picks. If a suitable trade cannot be completed, the player is declared “defective” and forfeits all future CHL options and cannot re-apply to be reinstated in subsequent years. The team losing the drafted player receives an equivalent compensatory pick in the following OHL Draft.
1.5 If a Canadian or American born player does not declare their eligibility in their draft year, they cannot be signed as a free agent. If however, they declared their eligibility, but went undrafted, that player can sign with any team of their choice.
1.6 If a player opts to not declare their eligibility, they cannot play in OHL that season, however, the player can declare themself eligible and re-enter the draft the following year.

 

[Otto]

Ok this is a little funny and I do love the LKs passion but I we have lost sight of the actual decision and not so much about how great the Lks are (and yes they are).

No one is directly accusing the London Knights of anything!

Ohl fans are simply voicing their concerns with the current draft system in place and nothing more!

With all their resources, London is able to use a flawed draft system to accumulate all the high calibre talent almost un-contested.

With a different set of rules, players like Matthew Tkachuk, Christian Dvorak, Alec Regula and Antonio Stranges just to name a few would NOT be a knights.

So with that being the case, as in impartial ohl fans, if london could be this successful under a REVAMPED draft system, I would be the first to acknowledge their incredible success.

Until that draft system has changed LKs accomplishments will always be viewed under a huge shadow of doubt and fans will continue to place a self-imposed asterisks beside their successes.

REVISED DRAFT RULES
1.1 A Canadian or American born player interested in playing in the OHL(CHL) must declare their intent by filing an eligibility form 7 days prior to the draft.
1.2 A signed eligibility form confirms that the player will play for the OHL team that draft him.
1.3 In the event, a drafted player decides to not report to pursue other options (e.g., USHL or NCAA hockey commitment), the player will forfeit all future CHL options and cannot reapply to OHL (CHL) Draft in subsequent years. The team losing the drafted player receives an equivalent compensatory pick in the following OHL Priority Draft.
1.4 In the event, a drafted player indicates they will not report, but would like to play in the OHL, the team has until August 28th of the current year to complete a trade. The trade can include a 1st or 2nd player from the previous year’s draft and any agreed upon draft picks. If a suitable trade cannot be completed, the player is declared “defective” and forfeits all future CHL options and cannot re-apply to be reinstated in subsequent years. The team losing the drafted player receives an equivalent compensatory pick in the following OHL Draft.
1.5 If a Canadian or American born player does not declare their eligibility in their draft year, they cannot be signed as a free agent. If however, they declared their eligibility, but went undrafted, that player can sign with any team of their choice.
1.6 If a player opts to not declare their eligibility, they cannot play in OHL that season, however, the player can declare themself eligible and re-enter the draft the following year.

Horrible for the league... just horrible. Keeping the best possible players out of the OHL is just plain stupid sorry theres no other way to put it. Theres a thread in the general forum talking about potential expansion.. you could toss that idea out the window if these rules were to be implemented because at that point you would be looking at contraction.

 

[PhlyerPhanatic31]

Really? What are names of all these players that have de-commited from some those teams? Saginaw? Niagara? Barrie? Erie?

Perhaps, Windsor and Kitchener have had some, but is their list really that long too?

Saginaw...Cole Perfetti,Bode Wilde, Blade Jenkins
Erie...Alex Debrincat, Owen Headrick

both of Barrie's Import picks had NCAA interest


Hell... the University of Michigan had 4 "commits" drafted in the 1st 22 picks this year at the OHL draft. Point is..it happens EVERY year..at EVERY draft. It's not just London signing NCAA verbals as you would like to have EVERYONE believe

 

[GoKnightsGo44]

Ok this is a little funny and I do love the LKs passion but I we have lost sight of the actual decision and not so much about how great the Lks are (and yes they are).

No one is directly accusing the London Knights of anything!

Ohl fans are simply voicing their concerns with the current draft system in place and nothing more!

With all their resources, London is able to use a flawed draft system to accumulate all the high calibre talent almost un-contested.

With a different set of rules, players like Matthew Tkachuk, Christian Dvorak, Alec Regula and Antonio Stranges just to name a few would NOT be a knights.

So with that being the case, as in impartial ohl fans, if london could be this successful under a REVAMPED draft system, I would be the first to acknowledge their incredible success.

Until that draft system has changed LKs accomplishments will always be viewed under a huge shadow of doubt and fans will continue to place a self-imposed asterisks beside their successes.

REVISED DRAFT RULES
1.1 A Canadian or American born player interested in playing in the OHL(CHL) must declare their intent by filing an eligibility form 7 days prior to the draft.
1.2 A signed eligibility form confirms that the player will play for the OHL team that draft him.
1.3 In the event, a drafted player decides to not report to pursue other options (e.g., USHL or NCAA hockey commitment), the player will forfeit all future CHL options and cannot reapply to OHL (CHL) Draft in subsequent years. The team losing the drafted player receives an equivalent compensatory pick in the following OHL Priority Draft.
1.4 In the event, a drafted player indicates they will not report, but would like to play in the OHL, the team has until August 28th of the current year to complete a trade. The trade can include a 1st or 2nd player from the previous year’s draft and any agreed upon draft picks. If a suitable trade cannot be completed, the player is declared “defective” and forfeits all future CHL options and cannot re-apply to be reinstated in subsequent years. The team losing the drafted player receives an equivalent compensatory pick in the following OHL Draft.
1.5 If a Canadian or American born player does not declare their eligibility in their draft year, they cannot be signed as a free agent. If however, they declared their eligibility, but went undrafted, that player can sign with any team of their choice.
1.6 If a player opts to not declare their eligibility, they cannot play in OHL that season, however, the player can declare themself eligible and re-enter the draft the following year.

This is garbage, your just limiting options, if a kid wants to play for a certain team he should be able to find a way if he has talent and works hard. I don’t think any GM would argue limiting options for kids would make a better league, it would just piss off players who wanted some control. The knights are a great organization and have always tried to do right by the players they have and they do find a place for kids that are not in there plans for the betterment of the player. I don’t see flint fans complaining when they received Sherwood, Mattinen, Kolyachinook all of whom would not have played in the league had it not been for the knights ability to scout them and get them into London. At that point the kids make up there own mind and take advantage of the opportunity.

 

[Sam14]

Horrible for the league... just horrible. Keeping the best possible players out of the OHL is just plain stupid sorry theres no other way to put it. Theres a thread in the general forum talking about potential expansion.. you could toss that idea out the window if these rules were to be implemented because at that point you would be looking at contraction.

The league wouldn’t lose many players (some yes).

A rule change would only assure that players interested in playing in the best developmental league will have to go to the team that drafted them. Rules 1.3 and 1.4 allow for some negotiations to occur if there is a fall out but only on terms of the team that drafted that player.

The same similar horrible stupid idea that the NHL uses.

 

[Fastpace]

Ok this is a little funny and I do love the LKs passion but I we have lost sight of the actual decision and not so much about how great the Lks are (and yes they are).

No one is directly accusing the London Knights of anything!

Ohl fans are simply voicing their concerns with the current draft system in place and nothing more!

With all their resources, London is able to use a flawed draft system to accumulate all the high calibre talent almost un-contested.

With a different set of rules, players like Matthew Tkachuk, Christian Dvorak, Alec Regula and Antonio Stranges just to name a few would NOT be a knights.

So with that being the case, as in impartial ohl fans, if london could be this successful under a REVAMPED draft system, I would be the first to acknowledge their incredible success.

Until that draft system has changed LKs accomplishments will always be viewed under a huge shadow of doubt and fans will continue to place a self-imposed asterisks beside their successes.

REVISED DRAFT RULES
1.1 A Canadian or American born player interested in playing in the OHL(CHL) must declare their intent by filing an eligibility form 7 days prior to the draft.
1.2 A signed eligibility form confirms that the player will play for the OHL team that draft him.
1.3 In the event, a drafted player decides to not report to pursue other options (e.g., USHL or NCAA hockey commitment), the player will forfeit all future CHL options and cannot reapply to OHL (CHL) Draft in subsequent years. The team losing the drafted player receives an equivalent compensatory pick in the following OHL Priority Draft.
1.4 In the event, a drafted player indicates they will not report, but would like to play in the OHL, the team has until August 28th of the current year to complete a trade. The trade can include a 1st or 2nd player from the previous year’s draft and any agreed upon draft picks. If a suitable trade cannot be completed, the player is declared “defective” and forfeits all future CHL options and cannot re-apply to be reinstated in subsequent years. The team losing the drafted player receives an equivalent compensatory pick in the following OHL Draft.
1.5 If a Canadian or American born player does not declare their eligibility in their draft year, they cannot be signed as a free agent. If however, they declared their eligibility, but went undrafted, that player can sign with any team of their choice.
1.6 If a player opts to not declare their eligibility, they cannot play in OHL that season, however, the player can declare themself eligible and re-enter the draft the following year.

Your argument is very weak and senseless and serve no purpose here. It's very counter productive to what this league was design to do, developing professional hockey players. That is exactly what the Knights has been successfully doing for many years now and will continue to do so for many mores to come, try to convince the OHL and NHL the Knights have been doing it wrong all along.

 

[Sam14]

Saginaw...Cole Perfetti,Bode Wilde, Blade Jenkins
Erie...Alex Debrincat, Owen Headrick

both of Barrie's Import picks had NCAA interest


Hell... the University of Michigan had 4 "commits" drafted in the 1st 22 picks this year at the OHL draft. Point is..it happens EVERY year..at EVERY draft. It's not just London signing NCAA verbals as you would like to have EVERYONE believe

Wow, those are short lists!!!

 

[Otto]

I'm thinking Sam14 forgets what it's like to be a teenager... let alone understand what a teenager with skill has to go through. Kids are committing at 14... and you want to force their hand? Situations change? So a player is having a tough go at school and you also want him to throw his hockey career away? Or a kid sees an opportunity to fast track his career and you would rather let him rot?

Here's an article from last year that talks about the CHL/NCAA debate... at the end it lists a number of decommits... notice how many were committed to one school... then selected another school to attend? What does this mean? It means as kids mature circumstances change. It's not a London thing, it's not an OHL thing, it's not a CHL thing.... it's a teenager thing. In the words of the Houston Astros fans in between games of a doubleheader in 1977 "LET THEM PLAY"

The Rise of "De-Commitments" in NCAA Hockey Recruiting - Neutral Zone - Men's Hockey

 

[Sam14]

Your argument is very weak and senseless and serve no purpose here. It's very counter productive to what this league was design to do, developing professional hockey players. That is exactly what the Knights has been successfully doing for many years now and will continue to do so for many mores to come, try to convince the OHL and NHL the Knights have been doing it wrong all along.

Yikes!!! Again, not what this discussion is about!

 

[PhlyerPhanatic31]

Wow, those are short lists!!!

Those are just a sample. The fact is your argument isn't even an argument. You have nothing of substance to your stance. All sizzle no steak

 

[NamesAreHardToChoose]

Your argument is very weak and senseless and serve no purpose here. It's very counter productive to what this league was design to do, developing professional hockey players. That is exactly what the Knights has been successfully doing for many years now and will continue to do so for many mores to come, try to convince the OHL and NHL the Knights have been doing it wrong all along.

It's not hard to develop professional hockey players when you can pick and choose from the best prospects, is it?

 

[Otto]

The league wouldn’t lose many players (some yes).

A rule change would only assure that players interested in playing in the best developmental league will have to go to the team that drafted them. Rules 1.3 and 1.4 allow for some negotiations to occur if there is a fall out but only on terms of the team that drafted that player.

The same similar horrible stupid idea that the NHL uses.

Except the NHL doesn't blackball someone for playing in the KHL

 

[Sam14]

Hey, if I ever end up in courtroom in front of jury, I'm hiring a few you to represent me to keep steering the jury and DA away from the actual crime .

 

[PhlyerPhanatic31]

Hey, if I ever end up in courtroom in front of jury, I'm hiring a few you to represent me to keep steering the jury and DA away from the actual crime .

Hard to defend someone when their alibi is based on conjecture and hearsay

 

[Otto]

Hey, if I ever end up in courtroom in front of jury, I'm hiring a few you to represent me to keep steering the jury and DA away from the actual crime .

Don't worry... it wouldn't get to trial... no proof

 

[Sam14]

Except the NHL doesn't blackball someone for playing in the KHL

Well, perhaps change 1.3 to allowing the player to declare his eligibility the following year. That solves that problem.

 

[Snippit]

Yikes!!! Again, not what this discussion is about!

It’s a huge part of it ...

 

[Otto]

Well, perhaps change 1.3 to allowing the player to declare his eligibility the following year. That solves that problem.

And again the kid is having a rough go at school and he misses a half season of hockey.... really good development league you have there.

Tell me something ... if teams before the Knights picked Tkachuk, Dvorak, Regula, and Stranges how well stocked would those teams be today?