I'd be kinda shocked if he gets qualified as an RFA, because he'd be due a raise.... but I suppose if they do sign him, since he's already cleared waivers once he'd probably clear again....decent depth guy in Utica.
The thing with having him on the NHL club (as say, a fourth-line winger) is that this coach is never going to accept a limited role for him. Willie is inevitably going to end up overusing him as a middle-six forward because he's dead set on proving that's what he is.Qualify him and send him to Utica... If he clears great if not too bad. We gave up a 2nd for him and people are always talking about giving up value for no reason... Letting him walk is the definition of losing value. These are some possible outcomes
1. Let him walk (awful asset management)
2. Qualify him and use him with the big club if he earns a spot at camp (good...?)
3. Qualify him and waive him to Utica play him to increase his value (ideal)
4. Qualify him, waive him, he gets claimed (same as scenario #1 but at least we tried)
At best we have a depth player that gets a few games shows improvement and becomes a useful piece moving forward
At worst he walks and becomes a solid NHL centre for another club and we get nothing for him.
Qualify him and send him to Utica... If he clears great if not too bad. We gave up a 2nd for him and people are always talking about giving up value for no reason... Letting him walk is the definition of losing value. These are some possible outcomes
1. Let him walk (awful asset management)
2. Qualify him and use him with the big club if he earns a spot at camp (good...?)
3. Qualify him and waive him to Utica play him to increase his value (ideal)
4. Qualify him, waive him, he gets claimed (same as scenario #1 but at least we tried)
At best we have a depth player that gets a few games shows improvement and becomes a useful piece moving forward
At worst he walks and becomes a solid NHL centre for another club and we get nothing for him.
Letting him walk is the definition of losing value.
At worst he walks and becomes a solid NHL centre for another club and we get nothing for him.
I'd be kinda shocked if he gets qualified as an RFA, because he'd be due a raise.... but I suppose if they do sign him, since he's already cleared waivers once he'd probably clear again....decent depth guy in Utica.
He can be qualified and offered a 2-way contract. The raise is negligible. It's $5000. And if he gets sent down to the AHL he will cost $100,000 in cap space. I would qualify him and have him battle for a roster spot. If he gets sent down he will likely clear waivers. If not it's okay.
Yup. It's time to cut bait with Vey. I feel bad for the guy, with what he's gone through the past couple years off the ice, but he's just not an effective NHL player with this team, despite being given a pretty incredible set of opportunities and playing for the coach who helped turn him into a junior star.There will literally be 20 better AHL centers available this offseason that can be signed at a lower cap hit and won't be a coach's pet.
Again, the guy is just a terrible player. Awful. There is zero reason he should play another game in the organization.
2 ES goals in 67 games last year between the AHL and NHL while getting top-6 minutes almost the entire time. That's one of the most impressively inept statistics I've ever seen.
I would be ok with signing him and starting him in Utica.
Use him like this year as a call up for when injuries hit hard.
Despite the lack of offense, he'll be much more reliable defensively than any AHL caliber centers we have. People like to ignore it, but he played well when called up. Team was in the tank, but he was fine.
Come to think of it, I'd be interested to see how Vey's numbers this year compare to another guy who got boatloads of undeserved ice time, including PP shifts, Byron Ritchie.Taking away his PP numbers, at ES last year his numbers were 41-1-9-10 -14 43% faceoffs 43% Corsi. From 2nd line minutes. That is just an abomination.
Come to think of it, I'd be interested to see how Vey's numbers this year compare to another guy who got boatloads of undeserved ice time, including PP shifts, Byron Ritchie.
That's fair. I still wake up in cold sweats thinking about Byron Ritchie manning the point on AV's power play.FWIW, Ritchie was 18th on that team in PP time per game. He shouldn't have been on a PP at all, but IIRC, that team had a bunch of injury problems. It's not like he was a regular.
That's fair. I still wake up in cold sweats thinking about Byron Ritchie manning the point on AV's power play.
heh nothing like "paging Nolan Baumgartner.....paging Nolan Baumgartner....please get possibly ready for an appearance in the Stanley Cup Finals....".That happened for 3 or 4 games when almost our entire defense was injured (I think Steve McCarthy was playing #1 minutes at the time).
No, he didn't. At all.
He had a good stretch of 6 or 8 games at one point shortly after being called up. Other than that, he was absolutely horrible.
Produced 4th line offensive numbers at ES from 2nd line minutes while being crap defensively, a crap possession player, one of the worst faceoff centers in the NHL, and providing no intangibles whatsoever. He was, quite simply, one of the very worst players to play more than 40 games in the NHL last year.
Taking away his PP numbers, at ES last year his numbers were 41-1-9-10 -14 43% faceoffs 43% Corsi. From 2nd line minutes. That is just an abomination.