Legends Tournament: Level A, round 3: Ovechkin Versus Crosby

[amnesiac]

Think of it this way: A pollster tries to have a representative sample of the voting populace. If the polling sample has too many Democrats or Republicans, they make an effort to even it out.

This forum has what, 70% Canadians and 1% Russians? (WAG).

This is HOCKEY were talking about, not politics. Hes basically saying Canadians are prejudiced..... trust me, were not all Don Cherry here. Most Canadians dont even like Cherry and disagree with most of what he has to say.

Im pretty certain that the majority of Canadians believe Dom Hasek was a greater goalie than Roy or Brodeur. And those guys are probably closer to each other than OV and Sid. So explain that.

Funny though that most OV supporters posting in this thread are Caps fans. With Sid running away with this poll now, its clear that its not a question of team nor nationality bias swaying the results.

Just accept it. OV is still probably a top 12 player all-time, which is in itself remarkable to even have witnessed 2 of greatest players ever as we have the past 14 years.

 

[SotasicA]

Crosvechkin 2019.

I'm not a fan of either team, nor of their nationalities. No bias, just fact: Crosby is the better player.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Kuzy was the real winner of the Conn Smythe too and you know it.

You could argue that. But then Malkin and Kessel deserved to win Crosby’s Smythes (but like Kuzy lost out on the voting against the faces of the league) so it evens out there too.

 

[daver]

You could argue that. But then Malkin and Kessel deserved to win Crosby’s Smythes (but like Kuzy lost out on the voting against the faces of the league) so it evens out there too.

Kuzy vs. OV is dramatically different from Malkin vs. Crosby.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Kuzy vs. OV is dramatically different from Malkin vs. Crosby.

You’re right. Kuzy only led Ovie in points, Malkin led Crosby in both goals and points.

 

[wetcoast]

It's funny how if over a 3 year period (13-15) OV wins a hart and comes 2nd for another year, he's not even in the "best player discussion". But if over a 3 year period (17-19) Crosby has 2 distant hart runner ups either side of a 17th place finish, he's in the "best player discussion". Lol, pretty ridiculous.

You are really glossing over his 13 Hart win which was a joke based on his exploiting a single division in hockey and his dreadfull playoff resume over a 21-6-5-11 minus 5 over those 3 years.

Crosby might have been a distant hart runner up in 19 but that season was better than any of the 3 Ovechkin had in the 13-15 time frame you are referencing.

Crosby in the 17 season also won the Richard and was 10th in Selke voting a fair bit better than Ovechkin in 14 don't you think?

Also from 17-19 Crosby leads the playoffs in points.

The 2 time frames you picked are really strange because the evidence contradicts your point quite easily.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

You are really glossing over his 13 Hart win which was a joke based on his exploiting a single division in hockey and his dreadfull playoff resume over a 21-6-5-11 minus 5 over those 3 years.

Crosby might have been a distant hart runner up in 19 but that season was better than any of the 3 Ovechkin had in the 13-15 time frame you are referencing.

Crosby in the 17 season also won the Richard and was 10th in Selke voting a fair bit better than Ovechkin in 14 don't you think?

Also from 17-19 Crosby leads the playoffs in points.

The 2 time frames you picked are really strange because the evidence contradicts your point quite easily.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Ovechkin has not had a season better than Crosby 18-19 since 2010 lol

 

[wetcoast]

Yes I guess when one has a weak or no argument it's emoji time.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

Not sure how people still can’t see the difference between these 2 players in 2019.

Crosby was and will always be the better player between them. He just has way more tools.

 

[um]

Not sure how people still can’t see the difference between these 2 players in 2019.

Crosby was and will always be the better player between them. He just has way more tools.

I'd agree that Crosby is better Overall, but your full of... something if you think he's alway been better.

Ovechkin had a pretty fair lead after their first 5 seasons after winning 3 straight Ted Lindsay's.

 

[daver]

I'd agree that Crosby is better Overall, but your full of... something if you think he's alway been better.

Ovechkin had a pretty fair lead after their first 5 seasons after winning 3 straight Ted Lindsay's.

Two Conn Smythe worthy playoff runs beg to differ. They were very close after five seasons. The biggest gap between the two was after the 06/07 season.

 

[Varan]

can someone lock this thread up

 

[Midnight Judges]

Ovechkin has not had a season better than Crosby 18-19 since 2010 lol

Ovechkin was better than Crosby in '18-19.

55 goals / 98 points in 88 games > 35 goals / 101 points in 83 games.

If we place more weight on playoff games, it only gets worse for Crosby.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Ovechkin was better than Crosby in '18-19.

55 goals / 98 points in 88 games > 35 goals / 101 points in 83 games.

If we place more weight on playoff games, it only gets worse for Crosby.

Lol neither did anything of note in the playoffs. Yet Crosby still ourscored Ovechkin in this scenario with way less games. Come on bud.

 

[Khomutov]

Lol neither did anything of note in the playoffs. Yet Crosby still ourscored Ovechkin in this scenario with way less games. Come on bud.

Both teams lost in the first round. But Crosby had 1 (!) assist in four games and the Penguins were swept. Ovechkin was the best Capital, had 9 points and Washington lost in Game 7 in the 2OT.

 

[daver]

Both teams lost in the first round. But Crosby had 1 (!) assist in four games and the Penguins were swept. Ovechkin was the best Capital, had 9 points and Washington lost in Game 7 in the 2OT.

So this changes the otherwise clear edge that Crosby has over OV in the playoffs for their career?

 

[JasonRoseEh]

I'm not saying the answer is wrong, but the divide here is embarrassing and not remotely telling of tape. Both players are consensus top 10 all time players and wherever you have Crosby, Ovechkin is DIRECTLY behind him.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

Also over the passed 2 years there's a strong case Ovechkin has been the better/more valuable player between the 2. He's objectively been the better player in the playoffs and a few points in the regular season doesn't really sway the argument much the other way. Ovechkin clearly let off the pedal at the end of the year to save himself for the playoffs this year.

 

[bobholly39]

I'm not saying the answer is wrong, but the divide here is embarrassing and not remotely telling of tape. Both players are consensus top 10 all time players and wherever you have Crosby, Ovechkin is DIRECTLY behind him.

There are a LOT of players in hockey history. The 2 can be deemed to be close all-time yet still have 5-10 players in between them.

 

[Beauner]

I'm not saying the answer is wrong, but the divide here is embarrassing and not remotely telling of tape. Both players are consensus top 10 all time players and wherever you have Crosby, Ovechkin is DIRECTLY behind him.

okay.... then the divide is perfectly reasonable.

If you make a Gretzky vs. Orr poll, Gretzky would win, like, 95% of the vote. Doesn't mean Orr isn't top 3 in his own right. He's just not as good as 99.

 

[nowhereman]

I'm not saying the answer is wrong, but the divide here is embarrassing and not remotely telling of tape. Both players are consensus top 10 all time players and wherever you have Crosby, Ovechkin is DIRECTLY behind him.

Lol, there are only two options in the poll. And, judging by the results (and watching both players play), there's a clear answer.

 

[Midnight Judges]

So this changes the otherwise clear edge that Crosby has over OV in the playoffs for their career?

There is no clear edge.

 

[nowhereman]

There is no clear edge.

Crosby has multiple Conn Smythe trophies and multiple Conn Smythe-worthy runs, to go along with three Stanley Cups. If you can't see a clear edge, take off the blindfold.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Crosby has multiple Conn Smythe trophies and multiple Conn Smythe-worthy runs, to go along with three Stanley Cups. If you can't see a clear edge, take off the blindfold.

Your argument is that Crosby played at a 65 point / 21 goal pace as a minus player - and this somehow makes a big difference?