Pre-Game Talk: Leafs vs Lightning

[ACC1224]

Dubas is in his early to mid 30s, he grew up with computers and the internet. I bet you he has been on this site more than once. He would know how to set up a couple of burner accounts if he wanted. Imagine he is amongst us, lol.

Probably one of those happy that a 1st was tossed away with Marleau because 'he had no choice'.

 

[capfit9]

they are getting pumped tonight

 

[Dekes For Days]

How many Zamboni driver losses did that TB team have?

Neither got beat by a Zamboni driver. Both got beat badly at times by teams playing amazingly, though Tampa didn't have to deal with horrible goaltending at the same time like us.

 

[ACC1224]

How many Zamboni driver losses did that TB team have?

One less than the Leafs like every other team that's every laced them up.

 

[Rude Dog]

Leafs 4-2 win. Taking 5 of 6 points this week. All that is left to worry about is the Corona Virus and the Dow losing 2K points in 2 days. Fun.

 

[SprDaVE]

How many Zamboni driver losses did that TB team have?

They lost in 4 straight last year in the playoffs against the worst team in the playoffs. I'd say that was pretty damn bad.

 

[1specter]

He's also played a bit on MacKinnon's wing this year so he has had the same kind of benefits as Kerfoot has had

Kadri has only played 72 minutes at 5v5 with MacKinnon and 60 minutes with Rantanen.

Kerfoot has played 170 min at 5v5 with Nylander+Tavares combined, as well as an additional 62 minutes with Nylander, and 77 minutes with John Tavares. He's also played around another 75 minutes with Mitch Marner.

So no it hasn't been the same.

It's funny seeing the narratives around this trade morph...the trade was centered around Barrie, but he's been disappointing and is going to walk for nothing in the summer, so now people are desperately clinging to "Kerfoot>Kadri" to justify the trade.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Also this season Kadri has 25 5v5 pts in 51 games, playing with mostly Burakovsky, Compher and Donskoi.

Burakovsky has 30, and if anything, has been the one carrying that line this year.

 

[1specter]

Burakovsky has 30, and if anything, has been the one carrying that line this year.

Nylander, Tavares, Marner > Burakovsky. There's also Kapanen who has 26 pts at 5v5 himself and is Kerfoot's other primary linemate.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Kadri has only played 72 minutes at 5v5 with MacKinnon and 60 minutes with Rantanen.

Kerfoot has played 170 min at 5v5 with Nylander+Tavares combined, as well as an additional 62 minutes with Nylander, and 77 minutes with John Tavares. He's also played around another 75 minutes with Mitch Marner.

So no it hasn't been the same.

It's funny seeing the narratives around this trade morph...the trade was centered around Barrie, but he's been disappointing and is going to walk for nothing in the summer, so now people are desperately clinging to "Kerfoot>Kadri" to justify the trade.

Source?

 

[1specter]

Source?

Natural Stat Trick line tool.

 

[Dekes For Days]

One less than the Leafs like every other team that's every laced them up.

That is not the only emergency backup to have played in the NHL.

 

[SwissLeaf]

Leafs 4-2 win. Taking 5 of 6 points this week. All that is left to worry about is the Corona Virus and the Dow losing 2K points in 2 days. Fun.

It's now in Switzerland.

Anyway, we're gonna win this one!

GO LEAFS GO!

 

[seanlinden]

Kadri has only played 72 minutes at 5v5 with MacKinnon and 60 minutes with Rantanen.

Kerfoot has played 170 min at 5v5 with Nylander+Tavares combined, as well as an additional 62 minutes with Nylander, and 77 minutes with John Tavares. He's also played around another 75 minutes with Mitch Marner.

So no it hasn't been the same.

It's funny seeing the narratives around this trade morph...the trade was centered around Barrie, but he's been disappointing and is going to walk for nothing in the summer, so now people are desperately clinging to "Kerfoot>Kadri" to justify the trade.

The trade was about both... about taking an over-qualified 3rd line centre for the Leafs, and converting him to an excellent 2nd pair defenceman (for a limited time) and an acceptable 3rd line centre while saving a bit of cap for the long run.

There's only 1 narrative here that's the truth... and that is Colorado got EXACTLY what they bargained for with Nazem Kadri, and that their hopes for Calle Rosen simply didn't pan out.

They got a gritty 2nd line centre who would pace around 30 goals and 60 points, and maybe a little bit of a bonus in the sense that when Kadri scored 32 in back to back years with the Leafs, more than a third (12/32) of his goals came from the powerplay. With Colorado, only 21% of his goals are coming from the powerplay.

On the Leafs side -- it simply has not worked out with Barrie, and it seems that the Leafs didn't know what they were getting with Kerfoot, who has shown himself to be more of a-round-the-lineup utility player, rather than a guy who evolves into a high quality 3rd line centre.

At the end of the day, Colorado will go away happy because they solved the #1 priority in the deal, it just wasn't the perfect deal because they didn't get an NHL defenceman out of Rosen. The Leafs will go away unhappy, because Barrie has been a poor fit for his 1 season with the team, and even Kerfoot doesn't seem to be a logical fit long term as the Leafs have other "round the lineup" type guys at cheaper rates.

 

[crump]

Dubas is in his early to mid 30s, he grew up with computers and the internet. I bet you he has been on this site more than once. He would know how to set up a couple of burner accounts if he wanted. Imagine he is amongst us, lol.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Nylander, Tavares, Marner > Burakovsky.

Kerfoot did not play with those guys for all of his games. Kadri has gotten Burakosvky or better (Mackinnon, Rantanen) in all of his. Kadri also didn't play ~20 games with a full facemask. Kadri's also having a really lucky year, with a high OISH%. Reality is, going forward, there probably isn't much difference between them.

 

[1specter]

Kerfoot did not play with those guys for all of his games. Kadri has gotten Burakosvky or better (Mackinnon, Rantanen) in all of his. Kadri also didn't play ~20 games with a full facemask. Kadri's also having a really lucky year, with a high OISH%. Reality is, going forward, there probably isn't much difference between them.

I already gave the minute breakdown above, feel free to look back. Kadri has spent not even close to the time with MacKinnon/Rantanen at 5v5 that Kerfoot has with the 3 I mentioned.

 

[coupe93]

This one will be tough. I'd be floored if they can pull this one off. What a boost that would be.

 

[56 Years No Cup]

I'm curious to know who the emergency backup is in Tampa......do we have a book on him? what are his weaknesses?

She really ain't that great of a cook but she can do a mean double axle.

 

[ECanuck]

On the bright side: It will be easier to show heart and passion against an NHL goaltender instead of a zamboni driver.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

This one will be tough. I'd be floored if they can pull this one off. What a boost that would be.

Whatever happens, I don't really see it being a big boost for the team. They don't seem to like building momentum like that

 

[34]

Most likely going to be a blowout. Andersen is getting pulled if he is starting.

 

[coupe93]

Whatever happens, I don't really see it being a big boost for the team. They don't seem to like building momentum like that

Lets hope as part of their growth as a team that this also changes.

 

[56 Years No Cup]

Well, it's my birthday. Hopefully the boys come and play with some pride and give it a solid showing. Not expecting a win but do your best for 2 points. The huge game is obviously the one following this.

 

[Pyrophorus]

So strange.
This all depends upon their work ethic.