18leafsfan18
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The majority of people here state opinions as if they’re facts. What’s your problem??
You are the only one I have noticed in this tread.
You replied my post, not the other way around.
The majority of people here state opinions as if they’re facts. What’s your problem??
I'm not shifting anything. You replied to my post.
I posted stats and your opinion is that those stats are not true.
The only thing you are using to backup that "Leafs gave up more chances" is your opinion.
I prefer to use stats vs an opinion that I think is completely wrong. Why should I have to explain stats to you.
There are other team fan bases that have been listening longerI have been listening at crap like this for 40 odd years.
I too don't particularly find his reasoning of "because I said so" too convincing either
I have no clue how anyone can dispute goaltending wasn't the difference last night.
I don't honestly think anyone really knows. It is all about game management. Keep the game in control. Unless it is a penalty which stops/creates a scoring chance then it is called likely. But in a playoff OT game you need to mug a guy on a scoring chance for it to be called for sure. This issue will be a major problem for our Leafs. We can be easily trapped like last night. We need these refs to stop the interference on our players without puck.I gotta ask, what is refs calling playoff hockey ? (Honest question)
I don't honestly think anyone really knows. It is all about game management. Keep the game in control. Unless it is a penalty which stops/creates a scoring chance then it is called likely. But in a playoff OT game you need to mug a guy on a scoring chance for it to be called for sure. This issue will be a major problem for our Leafs. We can be easily trapped like last night. We need these refs to stop the interference on our players without puck.
I don't honestly think anyone really knows. It is all about game management. Keep the game in control. Unless it is a penalty which stops/creates a scoring chance then it is called likely. But in a playoff OT game you need to mug a guy on a scoring chance for it to be called for sure. This issue will be a major problem for our Leafs. We can be easily trapped like last night. We need these refs to stop the interference on our players without puck.
It's not about what gets called, it's about what doesn't get called. Marner was getting hooked and slashed all night and the refs didn't do ****. That effectively takes away Marner's extra little bit of space that he needs to work his magic.
Just like the series against the Bruins, they regularly pull this **** to shut down our star players (especially Chara) and the refs put the whistle away.
It’s almost like if you want to win the Cup you have to come with more to the table, as individuals and teams because life just doesn’t open up to go your way.It's not about what gets called, it's about what doesn't get called. Marner was getting hooked and slashed all night and the refs didn't do ****. That effectively takes away Marner's extra little bit of space that he needs to work his magic.
Just like the series against the Bruins, they regularly pull this **** to shut down our star players (especially Chara) and the refs put the whistle away.
It’s almost like if you want to win the Cup you have to come with more to the table, as individuals and teams because life just doesn’t open up to go your way.
That’s why you can’t just build all one way.
What if the game within the game changes?
Chara also adds in a couple of sucker punches and cross checks after the whistle for measure.
I'm not shifting anything. You replied to my post.
I posted stats and your opinion is that those stats are not true.
The only thing you are using to backup that "Leafs gave up more chances" is your opinion.
I prefer to use stats vs an opinion that I think is completely wrong. Why should I have to explain stats to you.
Why is it junk, because it's different from your opinion? It's better to be aligned with realityLol, you can keep misquoting me of you want... the stats you’re using to justify your opinion are junk.
Why is it junk, because it's different from your opinion? It's better to be aligned with reality
What happens if we get no calls?What else to we need to "bring to the table"? Elaborate please.
We're good now that we got Clifford right? Can we have Clifford sock Marchand or Pastrnak in the back of the head in a scrum and get off scott free?
Well Leafs had 11 High Danger Scoring Chances and Dallas had 8.
Leafs expected goals for were 1.94 and Dallas' was 1.19.
Points to losing the goal tending battle.
I'm fairly positive you will just dismiss these stats, so I'm not sure where we go from here.
We should build a team that can play this playoff hockey. It just might workIt's not about what gets called, it's about what doesn't get called. Marner was getting hooked and slashed all night and the refs didn't do ****. That effectively takes away Marner's extra little bit of space that he needs to work his magic.
Just like the series against the Bruins, they regularly pull this **** to shut down our star players (especially Chara) and the refs put the whistle away.
We should build a team that can play this playoff hockey. It just might work
Lol, you can keep misquoting me of you want... the stats you’re using to justify your opinion are junk.
Leafs loseWhat happens if we get no calls?
What happens if we get injured?
What happens if you are getting hacked or slashed and nobody sees?
What happens if it’s a neutral zone trap game and you can’t freewheel?
What happens if it’s a defensive battle where you aren’t generating many chances?
What happens if the game turns north/south get in behind the D?
What happens if the other team is crashing the net?
What happens if they come with a hard period of forecheck/physical?
Are you prepared for all that? Or are we just prepared to blame everything else?
Where did I misquote you ?
I agree.We have a president who was literally the physical embodiment of "playoff hockey" yet he doesn't want any sort of thing built in the team he's president of?
I think they see something we don't.
No, I won’t dismiss those stats. I guess my main point is, a terrific offence alone won’t win championships. An old saying goes, “Offence wins games, defence wins championships.” When I think of teams who I feel have a legitimate chance of winning the Cup, I think of St. Louis, Washington, Tampa and Boston. What do these teams have in common: great goaltending, balanced scoring or a truly dominant line ie. Boston, very good to great defence, and some grinders who aren’t afraid to go into the dirty areas to retrieve pucks and who can also chip in some goals (timely ones at that). How many of these things do the Leafs have? I believe we’re at least another year, maybe two, before we can be considered a legitimate Cup threat.
I agree.
But for the life of me, I cannot figure out what they're seeing.
I never stated that the Leafs gave up more scoring chances as a justification as to why expected goal stats are not great metrics... you seemed to have somehow interpreted it that way though...
I have an idea... how about instead of taking shots and jabs at me, why don’t you actually debate the opinion instead of being a hypocrite? The expected goals stats are largely inaccurate. Prove me wrong.
I didn’t say the Leafs were the worse team... but they did give up more scoring chances.