Sportsnet: Leafs looking at Tocchet?

[A1LeafNation]

If you are relying on Marner to score goals you are looking at the wrong player. You can expect about 20 over an 80 game season from him any thing else is gravy. Marner's is an assist man, not a goal scorer.

If Leafs are paying Marner 11m to continue to score 0 goals in his next 18 games as well Dubas will be fired very soon.

 

[horner]

If you are relying on Marner to score goals you are looking at the wrong player. You can expect about 20 over an 80 game season from him any thing else is gravy. Marner's is an assist man, not a goal scorer.

Marner had more goals than the natural goal scorers JT and Nylander

Marner 20 goals 55 games = 30 goals 82 games
Taveras 19 goals 56 games = 28 goals 82 games
Nylander 17 goals 51 games = 27 goals 82 games

He had a crappy playoff but his regular season was great.

He's not a natural goal scorer but I will take that production .

 

[hullsy47]

If Leafs are paying Marner 11m to continue to score 0 goals in his next 18 games as well Dubas will be fired very soon.

I agree .the MSLE BOARD shouldn't have to spend the summer trying to convince dubus he gave UFA contracts to RFA s
He'd be fired in tge real world

 

[Leaf Fans]

Richardson might he good too.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Always looking to bring guys in to help kick these guys in the arse. Preparations A through G were complete failures. I give you - Preparation H

We'll retain on Kessel for...100 billion dollars

 

[egd27]

They weren’t even the worst power play in the league
2020-21 NHL Summary | Hockey-Reference.com

I wonder how they would would rank if you looked at the goals/cap hit?

 

[Leaf Fans]

I wonder how they would would rank if you looked at the goals/cap hit?

I don't think you are wondering as it is obvious - not good enough.

 

[ToneDog]

If Leafs are paying Marner 11m to continue to score 0 goals in his next 18 games as well Dubas will be fired very soon.

Zero PP goals in his last 73 REGULAR season games but one can hope. Seriously even a blind squirrel finds an acorn yet our elite $11m winger can't buy a PP goal. You can't make this stuff up.

 

[ToneDog]

I agree .the MSLE BOARD shouldn't have to spend the summer trying to convince dubus he gave UFA contracts to RFA s
He'd be fired in tge real world

Any fool knows Dubas gave UFA money to the 3 Amigos. Only in Leaf land is incompetence rewarded until the fans make enough noise to get management to act (see Ron Wilson, Larry Murphy).

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Always looking to bring guys in to help kick these guys in the arse. Preparations A through G were complete failures. I give you - Preparation H

 

[yubbers]

Dubas could always move Keefe into the head office, and hire a new coach. I'd rather a player shakeup than a coaching one though. Same guys who sucked for Babcock sucked for Keefe.

So give the dude another job after failing at the one he was gifted?

Is he someone on the boards son or something?

 

[Leaf Fans]

If Leafs are paying Marner 11m to continue to score 0 goals in his next 18 games as well Dubas will be fired very soon.

He has a contract. They will pay him.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Any fool knows Dubas gave UFA money to the 3 Amigos. Only in Leaf land is incompetence rewarded until the fans make enough noise to get management to act (see Ron Wilson, Larry Murphy).

Murphy is the best example- nothing fans whining to get him out and he becoming an integral part of two Cups with Detroit and if course, because of the usual impatient "fans" the would like to push out another all star player.

 

[keonsbitterness]

They weren’t even the worst power play in the league
2020-21 NHL Summary | Hockey-Reference.com

They probably were the last half or maybe 2/3 of the season.

 

[yubbers]

Murphy is the best example- nothing fans whining to get him out and he becoming an integral part of two Cups with Detroit and if course, because of the usual impatient "fans" the would like to push out another all star player.

Like Kessel

 

[Leaf Fans]

Like Kessel

Yeah, different circumstances, but yeah.

 

[Leaf Fans]

They probably were the last half or maybe 2/3 of the season.

Perhaps, but the point is they weren't the worst powerplay ever.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Perhaps, but the point is they weren't the worst powerplay ever.

Fair enough, but it felt like it to most Leafs fans considering the offensive talent on this team.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Fair enough, but it felt like it to most Leafs fans considering the offensive talent on this team.

It really did. Frustrating season with special teams.

 

[tom leafers]

Always looking to bring guys in to help kick these guys in the arse. Preparations A through G were complete failures. I give you - Preparation H

 

[tom leafers]

The main PP personnel hasn't changed enough for me to believe it's a player issue, though they could be a contributing factor.

Powerplay rank by season.

• 2016-17, 2nd
• 2017-18, 2nd
• 2018-19, 8th
• 2019-20, 6th
• 2020-21, 16th

The two balanced PP unit strategy was definitely more successful, but it still heavily featured 16, 34, 44 & 88 even if they were often split up. I think we miss Bozak's RHS as the hole man, but that really shouldn't be a difficult role to replicate with someone else, Nylander, for instance.

god i love and miss Bozak.

 

[TMLAM34]

god i love and miss Bozak.

JVR was a huge reason the PP was very successful at the time as well.

 

[Dayjobdave]

I really think what went wrong with the Leaf Powerplay is that they decided the 30+% pace they were at wasnt good enough and tried to be perfect. Somewhere along the way they started trying to make the perfect play and they live in fear of the puck being shot down the ice. If they would just shoot their high percentages and not look for 100%, and maybe just maybe do it urgently, they could get back to 20+%.

I'm not sure it's Marner's fault, but personally when I'm watching, I blame him and Rielly.

 

[sxvnert]

The main PP personnel hasn't changed enough for me to believe it's a player issue, though they could be a contributing factor.

Powerplay rank by season.

• 2016-17, 2nd
• 2017-18, 2nd
• 2018-19, 8th
• 2019-20, 6th
• 2020-21, 16th

The two balanced PP unit strategy was definitely more successful, but it still heavily featured 16, 34, 44 & 88 even if they were often split up. I think we miss Bozak's RHS as the hole man, but that really shouldn't be a difficult role to replicate with someone else, Nylander, for instance.

With each passing year Marner and Reilly became less of a shooting threat with a pass only mentality. It came to a head this season when it seemed like neither Marner or Rielly would muster up anything more than a weak snap/wrist shot. End result: Leaving 4 PK to cover 3 shooters.

In the meantime Muzzin could have manned the point and Marner at point on PP2.
PP1: Nylander-Tavares-Matthews-Spezza/Gally-Muzzin

A rookie PP coach could have figured this out.

 

[Mad hatter]

Any fool knows Dubas gave UFA money to the 3 Amigos. Only in Leaf land is incompetence rewarded until the fans make enough noise to get management to act (see Ron Wilson, Larry Murphy).

I’m not sure how anyone could view Nylander’s contract as a bad contract, he earns what he’s paid imho. The other 2 contracts are not good ones though, definitely agree with you there