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The Brown and Kapanen one?The more I look at it, the more even it gets.
The Brown and Kapanen one?The more I look at it, the more even it gets.
It must be losing something in translation.You have no idea what's happening behind the scenes but are making a pretty elementary level joke as if you're in the know. Not sure that's comedy, but whatever works in Montreal.
That's good value. The only reason I'd be opposed to a trade like this is because Nylander's value is probably the lowest it will ever beLeafs get: Pesce
Canes get: Nylander + rights to Kapanen + Marleau contract.
Leafs get their most coveted RHD and get to wash their hands of Marleau, clearing a ton of cap space ($13 million plus) in the process. Canes get needed top 9 forwards, and can afford to buy out Marleau or trade him to SJ for peanuts w/salary retained.
Canes could add a forward or defense prospect to Pesce as well (probably not Gauthier, Necas or Bean. But Sellgren, Roy, Geekie or Kuokkanen would be a very nice sweetener)
This deal works I think.That's good value. The only reason I'd be opposed to a trade like this is because Nylander's value is probably the lowest it will ever be
Sure. I think the Leafs wanting to deal Kapanen tells us they are very scared of an offer sheet they cannot match.
As for Kadri, I think they are at their wits ends with him and his lack of self control on the ice. He should not cost much, given his down year and unreliability in the playoffs.
So you certainly have 2 assets at reduced prices here. GM's know this around the league. Especially as it would help the Leafs cap wise too. Though Kadri is signed to a nice deal thanks to Lamoriello. Seems funny the Leafs would want to trade one of their better value contracts. Which makes dealing kadri a no win situation.
What mess with Marleau?First the mess with marleu and now..... This
Leafs be in cap hell sooooooooon
Then move Marner. What about Marner to Carolina for Pesce, Ferland and Svenchenko (forgive my spelling). I think Ferland may be a free agentLeafs need to clear money. If they can't clear the bad contracts (Marleau, Zaitsev) then they have to be prepared to move the good contracts. Marner demanding to be paid like a franchise centre doesn't help.
And it is still a mistake by Dubas anyway you want to parse it.
A good GM would have signed Matthews and Marner first.
Make sure they are locked into team friendly deals.
Then see if Tavares was signable with how much cap was left.
Then make a decision on Nylander.
It was a faulty sequence young Dubas learned here. Let's hope he does not make similar mistakes going fwd for the Leafs sake.
or they just might want to use Kapanen to upgrade another position like defence. just because hes an RFA doesnt mean he will get an offersheet. i mean really. how many RFA's are there every summer that get offer sheeted?Sure. I think the Leafs wanting to deal Kapanen tells us they are very scared of an offer sheet they cannot match.
As for Kadri, I think they are at their wits ends with him and his lack of self control on the ice. He should not cost much, given his down year and unreliability in the playoffs.
So you certainly have 2 assets at reduced prices here. GM's know this around the league. Especially as it would help the Leafs cap wise too. Though Kadri is signed to a nice deal thanks to Lamoriello. Seems funny the Leafs would want to trade one of their better value contracts. Which makes dealing kadri a no win situation.
You can take all 3 back and shove th......Rangers will take Kapanan for 1 of 3 or 3 of 3, You can take Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk
We don't want to trade Jenner. Truthfully, we don't want to trade Savard, either, but it's one of those "you have to give to get" situations, and we really badly want another top-6 center. Kadri's enough of a need that we'll give up one "don't wanna" player, but not two - and we don't have that big of a need for Johnsson/Kapanen.Kadri + Johnsson/Kapanen for Savard + Jenner has been floated around quite a bit on the leafs board. What are your thoughts?
Risto, Sabres Nylander, McCabe, 31st, and Rodrigues for Kapanen, Kadri and Marleau (for purposes of buyout with him in signing in San Jose.)
-please keep in mind that Marleau is favour of Leafs because they are out of contract. That’s a equivalent to 2nd rounder or very good prospect going their way.
How will I be torn to shreads ?
Tavares went from 84 to 88 pts last season. Yeah, he exceeded expectations by 4 pts. But At 11M per and the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL last year. Exceeded expectations is debatable. More like met expectations. Still this is a team game, and until the Leafs start winning playoff rds. His signing cannot be considered a win.Poor Dubas signing Tavares, who exceeded expectations.
And like signing Matthews and Marner before signing Tavares was some kind of simple option on Dubas' plate. Glad you think so highly of these Leafs players though.
I’d say you are overpaying:Risto, Sabres Nylander, McCabe, 31st, and Rodrigues for Kapanen, Kadri and Marleau (for purposes of buyout with him in signing in San Jose.)
-please keep in mind that Marleau is favour of Leafs because they are out of contract. That’s a equivalent to 2nd rounder or very good prospect going their way.
How will I be torn to shreads ?
We don't want to trade Jenner. Truthfully, we don't want to trade Savard, either, but it's one of those "you have to give to get" situations, and we really badly want another top-6 center. Kadri's enough of a need that we'll give up one "don't wanna" player, but not two - and we don't have that big of a need for Johnsson/Kapanen.
In short: Savard for Kadri works for us, but nearly anything above and beyond that has not worked. Keep it simple.
Kadri and Kapanen for Brodin and Erikkson EkDreger: "Would need a D back in a Kapanen trade and a centre back for Kadri."
Why not picks back instead....or a C for Kapanen and a D for Kadri? Saying what you want for each player without any other options=too much beer for you.
Kadri and Kapanen for Brodin and Erikkson Ek
Leafs get a solid smooth skating D that can play either side and a young C that after Koivu went down showed he could handle big defensive assignments (other than one night Barkov when handed him his *ss) that still has upside.
Wild get a young RW and 2C with grit that can also score. Zucker can be then be dealt for futures (or D). (Spurgeon would have to be extended in order for the Wild to be able to deal Brodin).
very unpalatable. Rather eat Marleau's $$ than loose Nylander.Leafs get: Pesce
Canes get: Nylander + rights to Kapanen + Marleau contract.
Leafs get their most coveted RHD and get to wash their hands of Marleau, clearing a ton of cap space ($13 million plus) in the process. Canes get needed top 9 forwards, and can afford to buy out Marleau or trade him to SJ for peanuts w/salary retained.
Canes could add a forward or defense prospect to Pesce as well (probably not Gauthier, Necas or Bean. But Sellgren, Roy, Geekie or Kuokkanen would be a very nice sweetener)