Friedman: Leafs and Nylander not close on extension

[hector morrison]

If you have an elite goalie, your defence will look better.

Sure and if you have forwards that come back and Dmen that block shots the goalie might buy everyone dinner! Be nice if the Leafs had an elite goalie!

 

[Menzinger]

Who were the "younger and very likely better" PKers last season?

Komarov was a PK beast, and a monster in the dot.

Now that you mention Polak, what kid was going to replace him as a RHS PK denseman?

the Leafs pk was mediocre last season and was A big reason they lost against Boston. You’re exaggerating Leos impact here (and Polaks for that matter). Their departure will likely force Babcock to play better options in their place.

 

[FerrisRox]

Seriously,who cares? how many? where on the ice they were from? who took them? how many pp shots? how many blocked? etc....have at it man, its meaningless,when the games are decided by shots taken then I can stop watchin'.

Who cares?

Obviously I do, I just asked the question.

You don't think how many shots a team gives up is an interesting variable when it comes to talking about the quality of a teams defense?

 

[hector morrison]

Who cares?

Obviously I do, I just asked the question.

You don't think how many shots a team gives up is an interesting variable when it comes to talking about the quality of a teams defense?

Ok...yes, i am sure that 'shots' factor in to any/every teams discussion. The quantity of shots ,however, isn't as important as the quality ! Yes?
I mean there may be concerns if mistakes are being repeated,etc that lead to losing games. You must of witnessed many games as have I where the team that outshoots ,but still loses. Lots of variables there! But in the end it's goals that matter!
All the collective data on shots against the Leafs doesn't change their 11th place rating!

 

[A1LeafNation]

Who cares?

Obviously I do, I just asked the question.

You don't think how many shots a team gives up is an interesting variable when it comes to talking about the quality of a teams defense?

NHL Tonight: Tavares and Matthews:

Enjoy watching the Leafs improve defensively.

 

[3headeddragon]

Babcock used Komarov on the powerplay for parts of last season and he was a zero, although I'm not sure how much better Brown would have been in his place.

Leo is a loss on the PK, but they still will have Hyman, Brown, Tavares, Lindholm. Kapanen and Johnsson have both been developed for the PK. It remains to be soon who grabs what roles.

No one cares who replaces Polak, they have a one man penalty kill in Ron Hainsey.

The Hainsey part is what bothers me. We need another guy like him. I feel like we almost killed him last year.

 

[Strangelove]

Who were the "younger and very likely better" PKers last season?

Komarov was a PK beast, and a monster in the dot.

Now that you mention Polak, what kid was going to replace him as a RHS PK denseman?

Babcock used Komarov on the powerplay for parts of last season and he was a zero, although I'm not sure how much better Brown would have been in his place.

Leo is a loss on the PK, but they still will have Hyman, Brown, Tavares, Lindholm. Kapanen and Johnsson have both been developed for the PK. It remains to be soon who grabs what roles.

No one cares who replaces Polak, they have a one man penalty kill in Ron Hainsey.

Thank you for the bolded.

As for Polak... I was just wondering what kid the poster thought could have replaced his minutes.

I would add that 37-year-old Hainsey broke down over the course of last season with all those minutes...

 

[Strangelove]

"Where were they in shots against?"

Seriously,who cares? how many? where on the ice they were from? who took them? how many pp shots? how many blocked? etc....have at it man, its meaningless,when the games are decided by shots taken then I can stop watchin'.

Shots against are an important indicator in my opinion and Leafs had a ton of those.

My take is that Andersen stepped up in the regular season to cover dat dere

... but the pressure of the playoffs got to him (Leafs were horrible in goals against in the post-season).

Just my opinion, please don't take it personally...

 

[hector morrison]

NHL Tonight: Tavares and Matthews:

Enjoy watching the Leafs improve defensively.

Very nice....Love hearing that stuff,but really,just confirming what real fans already knew.

 

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NHL Tonight: Tavares and Matthews:

Enjoy watching the Leafs improve defensively.

Good video. Matthews and Tavares are going the be fun to watch!

 

[hector morrison]

Shots against are an important indicator in my opinion and Leafs had a ton of those.

My take is that Andersen stepped up in the regular season to cover dat dere

... but the pressure of the playoffs got to him (Leafs were horrible in goals against in the post-season).

Just my opinion, please don't take it personally...

I never really do take anything personally on these boards,but some folks like to throw insults and to what end?
Anyway,you're definitely not wrong in your assessment!
This began because I corrected a poster who stated that the Leafs were 15-20 in defense! That's all! Fact is,they were 11th in Goals Against! The why ,the how,the who and all the rest are for those who wish to spend time sorting it out! I really don't care about shots taken,there is too much to consider from what is a moving target!

 

[Scott Stevens]

For that haul it would have to be a top-pairing guy on a good contract. That is a valuable (and very cost controlled) haul being asked for.

Nylander is a great piece. Kapanen is Mason Raymond reincarnated. Not a bad thing. Just don’t expect much. 31st overall pick is a decent piece. This should get like maybe a veteran #2 lefty d or an old warhorse number one or a righty top 4 d with good potential still left.

 

[b in vancouver]

To me, Nylander and the Leafs seems similar to Wheeler and the Bruins. Very good young player with tonnes of upside that you know/think is going to be exceptionally good... but might not fit into a team that's trying to win now. Especially if he's using Draisatl as similar contract. - not saying he is but.. Forget about Hall-Larsson. Luke Schenn for JVR might be more similar.

 

[NoName]

Nylander is a great piece. Kapanen is Mason Raymond reincarnated. Not a bad thing. Just don’t expect much. 31st overall pick is a decent piece. This should get like maybe a veteran #2 lefty d or an old warhorse number one or a righty top 4 d with good potential still left.

For all three? Er...no. Young, top pairing guy on a contract that isn't expiring (and is reasonably prices) would be the price for a package like that.

Also as much as I hope that Leafs 1st rounder is pick #31 odds are it is more likely to be in the mid to late 20s. No one can really call a Cup for their team a year in advance.

 

[DanM]

NHL Tonight: Tavares and Matthews:

Enjoy watching the Leafs improve defensively.

Us Leaf fans realize how damn special AM34 is, and will be. Eventually the boards will understand.

 

[Divine]

He wants to get paid and deserves to get paid, the Tavares signing basically forced the hand of a nylander trade, no matter how many leafs fans refuse to believe this scenario.

Nylander will get traded within the next 12 months, I have no doubt.

That's okay.

Tavares for free makes Nylander expendable. The Leafs can just bridge him to his UFA years and trade him if they wanted to.

 

[Ranksu]

Us Leaf fans realize how damn special AM34 is, and will be. Eventually the boards will understand.

I think whole HFboard disagree vs Leafs fans how good Auston Matthews really is.

 

[NoName]

Keep your crap. Vancouver will keep Tanev.

Go ahead then. It remains that 40 games per year of a 28 year old Tanev isn't worth losing the prime years of a 22 year old Nylander who already has broken 60 points in his first two rookie seasons. Making that trade would hurt the Leafs both now and in the future, and I think Dubas is smart enough to see that obvious fact; it isn't like he is Chiarelli or Bergevin.

If Benning has a similarly inflated opinion of Tanev's value... well that explains why he still hasn't been traded after a year of being shopped.

 

[jimslob]

The poster I was responding to was saying Kapanen or Brown for Tanev. i.e. crap for a proven NHL defenseman.

 

[Icebreakers]

Go ahead then. It remains that 40 games per year of a 28 year old Tanev isn't worth losing the prime years of a 22 year old Nylander who already has broken 60 points in his first two rookie seasons. Making that trade would hurt the Leafs both now and in the future, and I think Dubas is smart enough to see that obvious fact; it isn't like he is Chiarelli or Bergevin.

If Benning has a similarly inflated opinion of Tanev's value... well that explains why he still hasn't been traded after a year of being shopped.

Tanev has never been shopped by Vancouver. Its just fans and media thinking hes going to be traded.

 

[loyaltotheend]

Who cares?

Obviously I do, I just asked the question.

You don't think how many shots a team gives up is an interesting variable when it comes to talking about the quality of a teams defense?

Cool, and he asked an even better question. Please provide shot location to back up your comment about the quantity.

Or if I put it the way you prefer:

You don't think shot quality in an interesting variable when talking about team defence?

 

[Confucius]

The poster I was responding to was saying Kapanen or Brown for Tanev. i.e. crap for a proven NHL defenseman.

Proven that he cant play more than half a season. lmao

 

[Confucius]

Tanev has never been shopped by Vancouver. Its just fans and media thinking hes going to be traded.

Has there ever been this much talk about a player being traded when it was complete B S? Just wondering.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Tanev could be 4 years younger, signed LT and injury free and he still wouldn't be worth Nylander.

 

[7even]

Has there ever been this much talk about a player being traded when it was complete B S? Just wondering.

William Nylander.