Post-Game Talk: Leafs 5, Pens 0 - Would You Like Fries with that Crap Sandwich?

[Ogrezilla]

Excuses. No Backstrom, no Wilson, no Burakovsky, no problem.

sometimes the other guy wins. The Caps are a good team.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I just assume since you are apparently prescient that you would have the answers. Are you saying you don't actually know?

His solution was to go "all in" for Domi, a player who JR apparently was very interested in but couldn't land, and wouldn't have required us to part with Hornqvist anyway.

So try to figure that one out.

 

[ronduguayshair]

What a spoiled group of fans! Sometimes I'm embarrassed to be a fan of one of the top 3 organizations is the last 30 years.

I feel like some people point at having to watch the X Generation as a badge of honor as far being a true fan. Thing is they were supposed to lose. Trying going back before those years when we weren't trying to lose on purpose.

 

[madinsomniac]

We're only cool with people that commit sexual assault obviously. #penshockey

He ****ed up. Rehabilitated himself. Paid his dues. Why not?

Why let Zolnierczyk play? Wasn't he a part of revenge porn?

Why sign Tibbetts? Statutory rape is cool?

Mario was supposedly in a room when rape occurred, only cool if you have enough money and the right agents to shush things away?

I don't care if he does or doesn't get back in the NHL. But the high horse **** is comical.

Mostly I agree, but the pens have carefully crafted this super family friendly image... it’s nothing at all like the 90’s pens image and thats with the magnifying glass ofsocial media now too...

Part of the thing is his crime was heinous.... Voynov was accused of severely beating his girl. Kicking her, punching her, and smashing her face into a tv... that plays poorly in the PR department

its like the pushback against the Steelers from various players they have had....

Micheal vick ran a dogfighting ring, lost everything and went to prison for it, served his time, came out and did a ton of things for dogs and seemed like a truely changed man... Steelers signed him and a ton of fans quit watching because of it... he served his time and clearly learned a lesson from it....


And severity and certain guilt does play a part too....
Najeh Davenport was accused of beating up his ex girlfriend in Ohio, but there was ample evidence she was falsely accusing him over a custody case.... nothing came of it despite sone bad accusations

James Harrison broke down a bathroom door and slapped a phone out of his girlfriends hand during an argument. He apologized and overall the accusation seemed minor... outside of Madden often referring to it nobody really cared he got a second chance

Cedrick Wilson saw his recent ex in a bar, proceeded to pull her backwards off her barstool and punch and kick her... he got immediately released....

In most of the cases the woman will recant at a later date even if there were multiple witnesses

Athletes get accused of domestic assault or sexual assault way more than we ever know, and often its falsely. Teams have investigators on retainers for this reason... if they feel it's real and bad, the player often gets axed and rarely gets a second chance

 

[Coastal Kev]

There's nothing but your baseless conjecture to suggest Hornqvist's the source of our early-season "struggles" (2nd in our division with a game in hand despite injuries to Schultz and Brassard), and that's not worth much.

You seem to think Horny's the issue because the Pens needed to get younger and faster, despite both the fact that he's always been a huge contributor in spite of his speed because of his irreplaceable net-front play, and that Rust - a 26 year old speed demon - has been much less effective than Hornqvist since your prediction "before the end of last season".

That doesn't mean Rust's contract is a problem, but if you're looking for scapegoats there are much younger and faster players to point your finger at. The only problem is that it blows up your speed narrative.

I have never once referenced our early season struggles. I am looking macro and it is you that is focused on the micro.

Horny could put up career numbers this year and I will still believe we should have moved on.

Is there a scenario where we keep Horny and JR maneuvers the roster younger and faster for success, maybe. My main point is that scenario is much harder for JR with pH than without him.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I have never once referenced our early season struggles. I am looking macro and it is you that is focused on the micro.

Horny could put up career numbers this year and I will still believe we should have moved on.

Is there a scenario where we keep Horny and JR maneuvers the roster younger and faster for success, maybe. My main point is that scenario is much harder for JR with pH than without him.

Ahem:

Wrong..... I said it was a terrible idea before the end of last season. It could work if other substantial trades are made, but I think it was a terrible decision. The team needed to get younger and faster

Laugh away, but the Pens are getting outskated nearly every game and their puck possession is also lacking.

Hahahahahaaha

Is that your "macro" perspective on display?

 

[Ogrezilla]

Ahem:



Is that your "macro" perspective on display?

 

[Gurglesons]

I just assume since you are apparently prescient that you would have the answers. Are you saying you don't actually know?

What happens when we go on a winning streak and Hornqvist has twenty goals?

He will like always disappear. Only to return when the Pens have a rough stretch or fail.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Ahem:



Is that your "macro" perspective on display?

I used it as a reference point. Want me to go through your history to find contradictions?

This is HF, never try to understand a perspective different than yours. And I know when I make my most valid points here when all I get back is silence. I asked you a couple of direct questions above and you simply ignored.

That pic of yours makes perfect sense for the echo chamber that you enjoy.

 

[EightyOne]

I'm not an engineer, but I can tell you, the Tacoma-Narrows Bridge was a POS. I don't know how to fix it. But it sucked.

I'm not an NHL GM or a coach, but I can tell you this team is flawed. I don't know how to fix it. But it sucks.

What is with the requirement that we need a foolproof solution before criticizing??

Actions in the summer appear to have been bad. Actions last summer were bad, too. I'm not paid to decide on these actions. But they were wrong. GM, coach, and players are failing.

 

[Coastal Kev]

What happens when we go on a winning streak and Hornqvist has twenty goals?

He will like always disappear. Only to return when the Pens have a rough stretch or fail.

I disappear regularly because I hate the group think one must have to draw accolades and insulate themselves from mob ridicule.

I come back to point out the ignorance, showered with insults, rinse and repeat.

 

[Gurglesons]

I disappear regularly because I hate the group think one must have to draw accolades and insulate themselves from mob ridicule.

I come back to point out the ignorance, showered with insults, rinse and repeat.

I mean, I agree to a point.

But, your takes are ridiculous.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I'm not an engineer, but I can tell you, the Tacoma-Narrows Bridge was a POS. I don't know how to fix it. But it sucked.

I'm not an NHL GM or a coach, but I can tell you this team is flawed. I don't know how to fix it. But it sucks.

What is with the requirement that we need a foolproof solution before criticizing??

Actions in the summer appear to have been bad. Actions last summer were bad, too. I'm not paid to decide on these actions. But they were wrong. GM, coach, and players are failing.

The team is flawed, yes. This team does not suck.

Every team is flawed. Ours is still one of the best in the league despite the flaws. It's not 2016. It's true our stars are a bit older. It's true other teams have learned from what we did. That was always going to happen. It's amazing that we were able to get ahead of the curve like we did in 2016. It's also incredibly unlikely that we can do the same thing again. So now other teams caught up. We aren't THE top team. We are ONE OF the top teams. That's how sports work. Everyone wants to win. Losing to the Caps in round 2 doesn't mean we made the wrong moves last year. Sometimes you do the right things and you still lose. The other guys are trying to win too.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I disappear regularly because I hate the group think one must have to draw accolades and insulate themselves from mob ridicule.

I come back to point out the ignorance, showered with insults, rinse and repeat.

I've said this to you probably a dozen times before, but I'll try one more time.

Discuss your points, and people will discuss them back. But you pretty clearly aren't interested in a discussion. You just make claims, state them as fact, and then start talking about group think if anyone disagrees with you. If you are even close to right you will puff out your chest and if you are wrong you just disappear. And you really don't even need to be right to brag about it. You'll just act like you're right until proven wrong, like you're doing with the Horny thing. Anyone who dares disagree is just dismissed as groupthink.

 

[EliteGoaltending]

If Malkin was not banged up we could have still won. He could only skate in straight lines and was pretty useless on his return in the Caps series. With Brassard unable to step up because of his groin we were in a lot of trouble.

Give those injuries to Kuznetsov and Backstrom and the Caps would fall apart.

Nah. He scored couple of pure effort goals on the PP and was setting up chances at ES still. Bigger problem was that we didn't have wingers outside of Guentzel producing at ES, so he didn't have anyone to play with. If Kessel was healthy and Geno was still hampered like he was, we could've two scoring lines anyway.

The story may repeat again this year (assuming that we're in playoffs) if one of Kessel or Guentzel gets hurt. And if they will continue to fool around with Sprong, killing any chances, if they are here, of him devolping as a goal scorer.
*Again assuming, there's no changes made.

Scoring depth on wing (+questionable fits) and out of sorts D, were the problems last year and contuning to be so this year. With D being messier even more, than last year.

 

[EightyOne]

Okay. True. Straight up, they aren't the bottom of the standings. But would you expect a team with Sid and Geno to ever be?

But you can't be pleased with this. The underachievement of THIS roster is nothing short of annoying.


There is no reason to be shutout by an okay goalie when you have the talent they have. None. That's a serious problem.

So when people say this team is shit, I don't think they literally mean these players should retire. I think it's an expectation vs actual results that doesn't match with logic.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Okay. True. Straight up, they aren't the bottom of the standings. But would you expect a team with Sid and Geno to ever be?

But you can't be pleased with this. The underachievement of THIS roster is nothing short of annoying.


There is no reason to be shutout by an okay goalie when you have the talent they have. None. That's a serious problem.

So when people say this team is ****, I don't think they literally mean these players should retire. I think it's an expectation vs actual results that doesn't match with logic.

We're in 2nd place with a game in hand. We just lost to a really damn good team; one that we beat last time we played them. Seriously, every team gets shut out. Every single one. We literally shut out THE SAME TEAM last time we played them.

Yeah, we lost the two games prior too. And we played well enough that we could have won either or both of them.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I hate it when media people try to blame the Pens bottom-6 scoring problems on Sprong, as if he's being put in any sort of position to produce and as if he's one of the ones being paid a lot of money. It's just idiotic.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I used it as a reference point. Want me to go through your history to find contradictions?

This is HF, never try to understand a perspective different than yours. And I know when I make my most valid points here when all I get back is silence. I asked you a couple of direct questions above and you simply ignored.

That pic of yours makes perfect sense for the echo chamber that you enjoy.

You used it to justify your criticism of Hornqvist's contract, contrary to your macro posturing. If you're going to say you "have never once" done something that you're clearly doing at the moment, don't be surprised or offended when its pointed out.

For example, you said in this post that you asked me "a couple direct questions above" that I "simply ignored". Well that's wrong too. You asked a couple rhetorical questions that you answered yourself. Sorry in advance if pointing that out bothers you.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I hate it when media people try to blame the Pens bottom-6 scoring problems on Sprong, as if he's being put in any sort of position to produce and as if he's one of the ones being paid a lot of money. It's just idiotic.

Pittsburgh sports media is pretty much a disaster

 

[EightyOne]

We're in 2nd place with a game in hand. We just lost to a really damn good team; one that we beat last time we played them. Seriously, every team gets shut out. Every single one. We literally shut out THE SAME TEAM last time we played them.

Yeah, we lost the two games prior too. And we played well enough that we could have won either or both of them.

Exactly. Lost two they should have won. And shutout TOR last time. These inconsistencies are the source of, at least my, frustration.

I'm a glass half empty person though.

I appreciate that you can remain level headed and happy with the games.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I hate it when media people try to blame the Pens bottom-6 scoring problems on Sprong, as if he's being put in any sort of position to produce and as if he's one of the ones being paid a lot of money. It's just idiotic.

What a stupid article.

 

[Empoleon8771]

What a stupid article.

Sprong: has almost exclusively been used on the 4th line this year
Pittsburgh media: it's his fault that they can't find a good scoring 3rd line

Yeah, that sounds about right

 

[Ogrezilla]

Exactly. Lost two they should have won. And shutout TOR last time. These inconsistencies are the source of, at least my, frustration.

I'm a glass half empty person though.

I appreciate that you can remain level headed and happy with the games.

But again though, the other teams are trying to win too. You don't think Toronto feels just as frustrated that they beat us 5-0 once and got shutout the other? And I'd rather us lose games we should win than just lose games because we should lose them It might be more frustrating in the short term, but it also leaves a lot more room for hope going forward

And yeah, games like last night frustrate me. It was a bad game. But we had bad games in 2016 and 2017 too. It happens.

 

[EightyOne]

82-0 or GTFO!