NFL: Las Vegas Raiders in 2019

[Blainer114*]

It seems like all the Cal fans keep telling us they all love the Raiders. Is there absolutely zero love for the 49ers there?

Doesn't help they have an ignorant disrespectful dbag as a qb

 

[Mightygoose]

Last shoe to drop with these musical chairs.

Should be an easy approval come March but will they really have 2-3 lame duck years in Oakland?

 

[Live in the Now]

Last shoe to drop with these musical chairs.

Should be an easy approval come March but will they really have 2-3 lame duck years in Oakland?

People will still go.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

3 relocations in a year is embarrassing for the league.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Doesn't help they have an ignorant disrespectful dbag as a qb

That is doing more for the community than any other bay area athlete. [mod]

 

[kingsholygrail]

3 relocations in a year is embarrassing for the league.

Not really. Relocations have been primed since proposals began for a new stadium in LA. Once it finally got approved, everything began to go in motion.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Well, in plus news, at least the team is now closer to their Los Angeles fans.

 

[GKJ]

Well, in plus news, at least the team is now closer to their Los Angeles fans.

And the one most of them are actually a fan of.

 

[Voight]

Doesn't help they have an ignorant disrespectful dbag as a qb

Don't worry, he'll learn the hard way when he's a free agent.

3 relocations in a year is embarrassing for the league.

Not really. Three prime markets opened up in a short span, Kroenke was finally able to get a plan for LA going and Davis was able to get a deal with LV/Clark County. In his and Spanos defence they have been trying for a while to replace their aging stadiums but found better offers elsewhere.

With jones & kraft on record supporting the Raiders move, I can't see how it wont get done. Even better for them they wont be "eating" into another teams fan base so they wont have any stiff opposition.

 

[Melrose Munch]

3 relocations in a year is embarrassing for the league.

I sort of agree. If this was any other league, it would be a concern. But NFL has that national TV money so it doesn't matter.

Is there anyway the owners can do an 11th hour switch for the Raiders to go to LA and the Chargers to LV?

 

[Soliloquy of a Dogge]

Doesn't help they have an ignorant disrespectful dbag as a qb

The only ignorance I see here is your own. Should probably understand the definition of the words you're throwing around before you do so.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Doesn't help they have an ignorant disrespectful dbag as a qb

Ignorant and disrespectful is far too kind for Kaepernick

 

[Bonzai12]

It's going to be weird watching the raiders go through a few years here where they are competitive and have a great roster for the next 2-3 years and then bam - we are leaving.

Just seems like 3 years is eternity and something is bound to happen before they actually leave.

 

[mmbt]

Is there anyway the owners can do an 11th hour switch for the Raiders to go to LA and the Chargers to LV?

I'm sure they'd like that setup better, but they probably don't like the precedent of having one owner work to score a great deal, only to turn around and have the other owners vote to give that deal to an owner they like better. At this point you'd basically be asking one team to give up equity in a new expensive stadium to go be a tenant, and swap with an owner who didn't do any of the work to get the biggest public money score in NFL history.

Plus would they then also force Davis to pay the higher relocation fee that a move to LA would require?

Maybe Davis would have been more amenable to a swap with the right incentive (mega $$) but when the NFL essentially told him to go wait a couple years in limbo while they took care of more important owners first, I don't see him doing anyone in the league any favors. He's about to own a piece of a nearly $2b stadium, forcing him to pay the same money to the league to own nothing in LA is almost assuredly going to result in a lawsuit.

 

[Melrose Munch]

I'm sure they'd like that setup better, but they probably don't like the precedent of having one owner work to score a great deal, only to turn around and have the other owners vote to give that deal to an owner they like better. At this point you'd basically be asking one team to give up equity in a new expensive stadium to go be a tenant, and swap with an owner who didn't do any of the work to get the biggest public money score in NFL history.

Plus would they then also force Davis to pay the higher relocation fee that a move to LA would require?

Maybe Davis would have been more amenable to a swap with the right incentive (mega $$) but when the NFL essentially told him to go wait a couple years in limbo while they took care of more important owners first, I don't see him doing anyone in the league any favors. He's about to own a piece of a nearly $2b stadium, forcing him to pay the same money to the league to own nothing in LA is almost assuredly going to result in a lawsuit.

This is completely true, but Davis will make more in the long run with LA. The chargers would also own an entire state rather then be the 3rd most popular team at best. The move was handled so poorly, and if this can't happen I hope the chargers stay, I don't think LA should get a black eye because of Dean Spanos.

 

[Terry Yake]

gotta feel for oakland fans

they put up with 14 years of garbage football and now that the team is good again they're moving

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

gotta feel for oakland fans

they put up with 14 years of garbage football and now that the team is good again they're moving

They would only be moving for 2020 though. They can get 3 good-to-great years out of it at least.

 

[Rocko604]

They would only be moving for 2020 though. They can get 3 good-to-great years out of it at least.

Watch them win the Super Bowl their last season in Oakland. The parade can include the moving trucks as they go along the I-5 and I-15.

 

[mmbt]

This is completely true, but Davis will make more in the long run with LA. The chargers would also own an entire state rather then be the 3rd most popular team at best.

I'm not sure that Davis will make more in LA. Local broadcast rights would be worth more, but ticket and concession revenues? Normally I'd give a corporate account edge to LA, but every casino in Vegas will need to have at least one suite, period, no matter what it costs. The prices for those will likely be very close to what you'd pay in a major media market as opposed to a typical small city.

Plus with equity in the stadium, he'd have a piece of the action when the SB or any other sporting event goes there, as well as having the largest event venue at a major destination for conventions and concerts. In LA, Davis would have none of that money. His franchise value would probably be higher in LA, but not necessarily his overall money making ability when you factor in being a tenant. That's likely the #1 reason why they aren't sharing a stadium with SF.

Watch them win the Super Bowl their last season in Oakland. The parade can include the moving trucks as they go along the I-5 and I-15.

Better that than to watch them leave right away, and then go on to have success the next few years. Most any fan base that's lost their team simply had the team ripped away, and they're often mediocre to bad teams that go out with a whimper, Oakland fans at least have a chance to say goodbye with what looks like a team with at least an outside shot. Go ask Nords fans how it felt to lose a team that won the Cup the very next season; you've just lost your gf, and before you're even over it she marries some celebrity who just won sexiest man alive.

What also makes this unique, long time Oakland fans have now had to go through losing the Raiders not once but twice. And this time it's pretty much final ... there ain't no coming back from this, and unlike Cleveland they don't even have the consolation of knowing they're in line to get an expansion team.

 

[Voight]

This is completely true, but Davis will make more in the long run with LA. The chargers would also own an entire state rather then be the 3rd most popular team at best. The move was handled so poorly, and if this can't happen I hope the chargers stay, I don't think LA should get a black eye because of Dean Spanos.

Chargers are not staying. They chose to move and were pre-approved last year.

Is there anyway the owners can do an 11th hour switch for the Raiders to go to LA and the Chargers to LV?

Davis wouldn't agree to that. he would have 0% stake in Kroenke's masterpiece and even tho theres a good amount of Raider fans in SoCal, he'd be losing out on even more in LV. Plus he'd always be the second tenant, a la Jets at Giants Stadium. In LV the Raiders will reign supreme above all and crush the NHL team going there. He will make an absolute killing, and already has the backing of the local governments as well as the cities richest businessman/casino man.

 

[Melrose Munch]

I'm not sure that Davis will make more in LA. Local broadcast rights would be worth more, but ticket and concession revenues? Normally I'd give a corporate account edge to LA, but every casino in Vegas will need to have at least one suite, period, no matter what it costs. The prices for those will likely be very close to what you'd pay in a major media market as opposed to a typical small city.

Plus with equity in the stadium, he'd have a piece of the action when the SB or any other sporting event goes there, as well as having the largest event venue at a major destination for conventions and concerts. In LA, Davis would have none of that money. His franchise value would probably be higher in LA, but not necessarily his overall money making ability when you factor in being a tenant. That's likely the #1 reason why they aren't sharing a stadium with SF.



Better that than to watch them leave right away, and then go on to have success the next few years. Most any fan base that's lost their team simply had the team ripped away, and they're often mediocre to bad teams that go out with a whimper, Oakland fans at least have a chance to say goodbye with what looks like a team with at least an outside shot. Go ask Nords fans how it felt to lose a team that won the Cup the very next season; you've just lost your gf, and before you're even over it she marries some celebrity who just won sexiest man alive.

What also makes this unique, long time Oakland fans have now had to go through losing the Raiders not once but twice. And this time it's pretty much final ... there ain't no coming back from this, and unlike Cleveland they don't even have the consolation of knowing they're in line to get an expansion team.

Interesting. I guess he would not after all this time, he's put too munch money into this.

Chargers are not staying. They chose to move and were pre-approved last year.



Davis wouldn't agree to that. he would have 0% stake in Kroenke's masterpiece and even tho theres a good amount of Raider fans in SoCal, he'd be losing out on even more in LV. Plus he'd always be the second tenant, a la Jets at Giants Stadium. In LV the Raiders will reign supreme above all and crush the NHL team going there. He will make an absolute killing, and already has the backing of the local governments as well as the cities richest businessman/casino man.

I mean I hope the Chargers stay in Los Angeles. I don't want them to move again so that people get ammo to talk about how LA is a bad football town. . I agree about the reasoning with vegas, but it would be kind of cool to do it. But Davis doesn't want to lose money at this point, so here we are.

 

[Voight]

Yikes... billionaire casino mogul Sheldon Adelson pulls out his investment in the Raiders Lv Stadium... sounds like him and Davis got into it.

His share was 650 million, but the Raiders reportedly told Clark County that they would get financing from Goldman Sachs with or without him. Sounds like the Raiders submitted a proposed lease agreement to the LV Stadium Authority without telling him - Davis was even in his office when that was done.

 

[Bonzai12]

this is gonna get ugly

 

[Mightygoose]

Yikes... billionaire casino mogul Sheldon Adelson pulls out his investment in the Raiders Lv Stadium... sounds like him and Davis got into it.

His share was 650 million, but the Raiders reportedly told Clark County that they would get financing from Goldman Sachs with or without him. Sounds like the Raiders submitted a proposed lease agreement to the LV Stadium Authority without telling him - Davis was even in his office when that was done.

Wow..Who woukd ever thought a few months ago Mark Davis woukd out manuver Mr. Adelson money-wise.

Next up: the lease. Even at offering 1.00/year no one will.blink. Even is there's hesitation, a revised proposal shifting the numbers around will get done. Then only one step to go.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-doubt-goldman-sachs-re-evaluates-involvement

A source told ESPN's Darren Rovell that the Raiders' relocation application to the NFL filed on Jan. 19 also did not include Adelson. On Jan. 12, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported that the Raiders had told the NFL that it had assurance from Goldman Sachs that the financial firm would continue to back the team's relocation effort even if Adelson was out of the picture.

Goldman Sachs had been in line to help underwrite Raiders owner Mark Davis' financial commitment, but with the financial giant now re-evaluating its position and Adelson's withdrawal, the entire deal could be in danger, a source told Shelburne.