Confirmed with Link: Kyle Turris [2 years - $1.65M per]

[Drivesaitl]

It doesn't discount one thing over another by a whim. You can have it do all strengths, even strength, penalty kill, 5v5. You are the one discounting some goals on a whim to fit your narrative. That's you.

You were the one stating that Kurris adds so much more in bottomsix. Fact is he doesn't. Hasn't for several years.

Nothing at all wrong with citing that Turris has far more non PP goals that Turris over last seasons and yet is considered scrub here. I mean Sheahan is pretty much nothing, which again should denote what Turris contribution is like away from PP.

 

[Llamamoto]

Their stats aren't even fact checked and cross tabulated. Which makes it unusable imo.

NHL Stats aren't great in themselves, and hockey stats tend not to be,

Used to be a lol rundown here of how many stats and games that sites like Behind the Net and Natural stat trick somehow missed.

So, we shouldn't count certain stats over others, and we should use NHL's stats?

In that case, Sheahan had 34 points in the past 3 years, and Turris had 96 points over that same span.

 

[CycloneSweep]

You were the one stating that Kurris adds so much more in bottomsix. Fact is he doesn't. Hasn't for several years.

Nothing at all wrong with citing that Turris has far more non PP goals that Turris over last seasons and yet is considered scrub here. I mean Sheahan is pretty much nothing, which again should denote what Turris contribution is like away from PP.

Sheahan provides some offense yes at times. He isn't a good offensive player. He works terrible with skill and is oddly I think worse defensively than Turris.

Sheahan gets his goals grinding, which is fine on a line with grinders.
The team is trying to add skill and guys who can play WITH skill. That's something Turris can do.

Fit matters a lot.

 

[TheNumber4]

Holland likes vets of any type. This is the kind of add that accomplished nothing in Detroit and one of the reasons Holland got axed in Detroit.

Its so predictable here. People see the name and remember a player that put up 60pts once and go oh wow? We're not getting that player or anything close to it.

Last time I was being told we were getting offensive help was AA. Time before that was lol Spooner.

At least AA was taking a shot at something.

Unless we improve our bottomsix players immensely and finally kick dolts like Khaira to the curb and stop rotating in pretenders its going to be hard for Turris to get much done anywhere.

Well at this price and term I think there's obviously a bit of reclamation project hopes in this signing. But I'd back on a proven NHLer like Turris to create offence than the usual Oilers off-season signings of Euro no-names and bottom of the barrel castoffs from other teams.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Love it

 

[MessierII]

Sheahan provides some offense yes at times. He isn't a good offensive player. He works terrible with skill and is oddly I think worse defensively than Turris.

Sheahan gets his goals grinding, which is fine on a line with grinders.
The team is trying to add skill and guys who can play WITH skill. That's something Turris can do.

Fit matters a lot.

We’ll miss Sheahan big time on the pk though. That’s one thing turris doesn’t replace. Sheahan was our top pker.

 

[Drivesaitl]

So, we shouldn't count certain stats over others, and we should use NHL's stats?

In that case, Sheahan had 34 points in the past 3 years, and Turris had 96 points over that same span.

Silly reply, and for the second time why are you counting one of Sheahans seasons twice?

One player gets used on the PP and bags a lot of his point there.

Away from PP, theres hardly any difference in the players.

In anycase Sheahan had 66pts over last 3 seasons.

How can we even discuss this when you are purposely tabulating wrong?

i mean at least be honest with counting numbers.

 

[Llamamoto]

Silly reply, and for the second time why are you counting one of Sheahans seasons twice?

One player gets used on the PP and bags a lot of his point there.

Away from PP, theres hardly any difference in the players.

In anycase Sheahan had 66pts over last 3 seasons.

How can we even discuss this when you are purposely tabulating wrong?

i mean at least be honest with counting numbers.

Whoops, I have been counting 2018-19 as two seasons. Him being on 2 different teams looked like two different seasons. (Although 96 is more than 66...)

Regardless, my point is that Turris is a much better offensive play than Sheahan. He isn't go to play on the pk, but we can get players for cheap to get that. We could even bring back Sheahan to play 4C and on the pk lol if we need that.

 

[McDNicks17]

We’ll miss Sheahan big time on the pk though. That’s one thing turris doesn’t replace. Sheahan was our top pker.

Khaira is likely the guy in Sheahan's spot right now. He can take over on the PK.

I could see Holland going after someone like Johan Larsson to play there for Tipp.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Whoops, I have been counting 2018-19 as two seasons. Him being on 2 different teams looked like two different seasons. (Although 96 is more than 66...)

Regardless, my point is that Turris is a much better offensive play than Sheahan. He isn't go to play on the pk, but we can get players for cheap to get that. We could even bring back Sheahan to play 4C and on the pk lol if we need that.

Thanks for acknowledging you missing one complete season of Sheahan. A season in which he bagged 30pts outside of PP. Sheahan hasn't been on a PP since (I wouldn't put him there either) but in fairness as only one of the players is used on PP its not fair to compare without that consideration.

Away from PP Sheahan has 64pts over last 3 seasons. Similar to what Turris had.

ps you didn't add up Turris numbers either and you made the same column adding mistake. heh I'm honest enough to mention that. Turris had 105pts, 37 of those being PP pts so sums up to 68pts away from PP.

 

[ujju2]

We’ll miss Sheahan big time on the pk though. That’s one thing turris doesn’t replace. Sheahan was our top pker.

Yup. But we had the best special teams in the league and had serious 5v5 issues. This move helps us 5v5. I'm happy.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Bless you, Kenneth.

 

[Paralyzer008]

I'm having Derek Roy flashbacks.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I agree. Great site. Really easy to use compared with the NHL site.

The last thing I would state is that the site is easy to use. So many columns on that site I would never even want to look at or see, mostly the advanced stats kind of stuff I consider garbage and whatever browser I'm using when I try to weed out columns or define searches its a nightmare. The place could use a primer on even how to use it. That said I haven't checked back there in a couple years but it was never easy to use.

To this day I don't know how to filter out the columns I don't want, which means its a scroll right graph with headings only on left which is almost impossible to use. When you want to see the last half of columns you can't even see what the headers are. I just give up trying to figure out anything from that site. At least Behind the Net was usable and had good filters so you could lift what you want.

 

[Fourier]

The last thing I would state is that the site is easy to use. So many columns on that site I would never even want to look at or see, mostly the advanced stats kind of stuff I consider garbage and whatever browser I'm using when I try to weed out columns or define searches its a nightmare. The place could use a primer on even how to use it. That said I haven't checked back there in a couple years but it was never easy to use.

I have used dozens of sites over the years. For me it is a great site that allows you to do as much in one place as any other site I have seen. Compared with teh NHL site it is much more user friendly unless your goal is to look up raw goals and assists.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Turris gets plenty of PP time. Where much of his production comes from. he doesn't produce much these days wherever he is in the lineup outside of that. At best Turris is a PP specialist to rotate in. Doesn't add anything else.

Just so that you aren't on an island here, I do agree with you. I used to love Turris but this is a shell of what we used to see.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I have used dozens of sites over the years. For me it is a great site that allows you to do as much in one place as any other site I have seen. Compared with teh NHL site it is much more user friendly unless your goal is to look up raw goals and assists.

Pretty much. I have zero interest in any of the advanced stats abstractions. Give me the counting numbers. Give me rates, /60, first assist, 2nd assist, denote all pk, PP, EV, anything that sorts nicely like that.

Everytime I go on Hat Trick I have to sort out all the garbage columns I dont want to see. That said it finally seems to work, albeit it just took me minutes to arrive at the columns I would prefer, which is basically weeding out all the advanced stats. Used to be I'd click hide/show columns on there and most of the time it didn't do anything. Maybe their servers work now or hardly anybody uses it now. The lag time there used to be sad.

For someone that loves advanced stats I guess its useful.

 

[Beerfish]

Tough to know which Turris we will be getting but the cost is not prohibitive and if we get the good turris it will be a very good signing.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Just so that you aren't on an island here, I do agree with you. I used to love Turris but this is a shell of what we used to see.

Quite a few posters in the thread not liking the signing. But the wacky offseasons here, its evreytime theres a player addition of any type its wowsa responses here. As if its never happened before. When you been around here a long time you know this is just the offseason circus where basically any add on gets talked up. The dynamic is strong when theres a player that has ever been anything, like Turris.

People are different though. Some people need to convince themselves that anything is great news and others prefer not being set up for failure and disappointment. I do rise up for the occasion when the player added is any good. For instance I liked the Archibald acquisition last year. I think Haas is probably undersold here as well. Good swiss army knife type player. At least a player that plays honest. Turris won't give a team that.

 

[kevy999]

You were the one stating that Kurris adds so much more in bottomsix. Fact is he doesn't. Hasn't for several years.

Nothing at all wrong with citing that Turris has far more non PP goals that Turris over last seasons and yet is considered scrub here. I mean Sheahan is pretty much nothing, which again should denote what Turris contribution is like away from PP.

Wrong again as usual lol

 

[94 Oil Drops]

I like this. A lot! There's a good chance he will make a very good 3rd line center for us. Even if Turris doesn't do well here we can trade him for a low draft pick. There's virtually no risk for us.

 

[kevy999]

Great signing,fit and price

 

[AddyTheWrath]

Turris seems like a really great guy from his interviews. Looking forward to having him join the team.

 

[kevy999]

Quite a few posters in the thread not liking the signing. But the wacky offseasons here, its evreytime theres a player addition of any type its wowsa responses here. As if its never happened before. When you been around here a long time you know this is just the offseason circus where basically any add on gets talked up. The dynamic is strong when theres a player that has ever been anything, like Turris.

People are different though. Some people need to convince themselves that anything is great news and others prefer not being set up for failure and disappointment. I do rise up for the occasion when the player added is any good. For instance I liked the Archibald acquisition last year. I think Haas is probably undersold here as well. Good swiss army knife type player. At least a player that plays honest. Turris won't give a team that.

You will be proven wrong again lol He just wasn't a right fit for Nashville. You are the same guy bashing Yamo last year.

 

[Mr Positive]

Its nice considering he's like the highest profile of the castoffs, lol

The ideal for 3c is a Charlie Coyle type. None really available, but this could be an interesting look. The third line will try to score more this season