Proposal: Kreider for Simmonds + 1st

[yukoner88]

why are the Flyers adding?? Just my opinion here but as a hockey fan I value Simmonds game above Kreiders.

 

[Tripod]

Last 3 years

p/60

Kreider - 1.93
Simmonds - 1.50

g/60

Kreider - 0.92
Simmonds - 0.75

CF%rel

Kreider - 6.51
Simmonds - 3.70

GF%rel

Kreider - 7.82
Simmonds 0.29

xGF%rel

Kreider - 4.89
Simmonds - 1.05

Tipped goals % (net-front presence)

Kreider - 28%
Simmonds - 20%

This is in "AINEC" territory.

Then keep your guy who struggles to get 50 points and can't get 30 goals, and we will keep our guy who actually passes 50 points every year and gets 30 goals most years.

Your guy wins the shoulda, coulda, woulda race, ours wins the actual one.

 

[Machinehead]

Thank you for this. I agree with you.

Simmonds is useless at ES. Kreider is really better winger than him.

I'm a huge fan of Simmonds, and I wouldn't call the above resume useless, but he's out of his depth here.

And yeah, I get that the Rangers score a lot and some of their players benefit from that, but Kreider doesn't fit their system at all. That's why AV benches him. (Oh shit, that's another thing, Simmonds actually plays!)

 

[Machinehead]

Then keep your guy who struggles to get 50 points and can't get 30 goals, and we will keep our guy who actually passes 50 points every year and gets 30 goals most years.

Your guy wins the shoulda, coulda, woulda race, ours wins the actual one.

You can call it "should, coulda, woulda" if you want, but I'd love to see Kreider on a hockey team instead of a shinny team.

 

[SnS]

Not even close from this flyers fan.


You keep CK.

 

[Stive Morgan]

Simmonds is better than Kreider so the Flyers doing this trade, let alone adding a 1st is ridiculous

 

[Starat327]

Kreider is a better version of Simmonds.

Kreider is a player who specializes in deflections and board play, on a team that doesn't shoot and doesn't cycle.

He's a 35 goal scorer on the Flyers - or any team with a system.

Or, he's JVR, and has no chemistry with Giroux and gets even less production cause he ends up playing with Filpulla.

 

[SnS]

Or, he's JVR, and has no chemistry with Giroux and gets even less production cause he ends up playing with Filpulla.

1000% likely scenario.

 

[Machinehead]

Or, he's JVR, and has no chemistry with Giroux and gets even less production cause he ends up playing with Filpulla.

Kreider could have chemistry with a jar of pickles.

 

[Tripod]

You can call it "should, coulda, woulda" if you want, but I'd love to see Kreider on a hockey team instead of a shinny team.

And yet he plays on a higher scoring and better team than the Flyers.

 

[Machinehead]

And yet he plays on a higher scoring and better team than the Flyers.

Higher scoring, yes.

Better, no.

The Rangers are a toilet fire that aren't in last solely because of Lundqvist.

 

[Tripod]

Kreider could have chemistry with a jar of pickles.

Than why doesn't he produce more? Zibby is a good C.

 

[Starat327]

Kreider could have chemistry with a jar of pickles.

That's great, but it doesn't guarantee he'd mesh well with Giroux.

This also ignores the fact that Giroux actually plays LW now, so Kreider still wouldn't play with elite talent.

 

[Drew311]

Rangers add Hayes.

 

[Machinehead]

Than why doesn't he produce more? Zibby is a good C.

Because his coach is mentally impaired and he plays 3rd/4th line minutes at even strength.

 

[Machinehead]

*Kreider produces almost a half point more than Simmonds per 60 minutes*

WHY DOESN'T KREIDER PRODUCE MORE!

 

[Tripod]

*Kreider produces almost a half point more than Simmonds per 60 minutes*

WHY DOESN'T KREIDER PRODUCE MORE!

Is that at ES? All minutes?

 

[Machinehead]

Is that at ES? All minutes?

It's at even strength.

It's a lot closer at all minutes. Simmonds is better on the powerplay.

At 5v5, though, he's outclassed here.

 

[Machinehead]

The argument that keeps coming up in literally every Kreider thread is that he hasn't hit 30/60.

Yeah, he should burn in hell for being injured last year.

 

[kelmitchell]

I think this proposal would benefit both teams.

Rangers:
Simmonds
2018 1st (St. Louis Pick)

Flyers
Kreider


Rationale:
Rangers trade the injured Kreider and get an immediate scoring winger that brings grit their team is missing. The Flyers get the streaky winger who sometime looks amazing and other teams seems lost and is having a bad season. Flyers also give Rangers St. Louis' 2018 1st rounder since Krieder is younger and signed two more years.

Thoughts?

Dude thats awful for us flyer fans, come on now

 

[Tripod]

It's at even strength.

It's a lot closer at all minutes. Simmonds is better on the powerplay.

At 5v5, though, he's outclassed here.

Philly has been a bad ES scoring team for while so that's not surprising. Good job PP points count too.

Reality is...let's say that trade went down.

Now Simmonds on the PP needs to be replaced by a RH guy. So now that's Patrick.

Then that leaves Kreider to go play on the 2nd unit which sucks ass and his PP points drop compared to in NY.

So now Philly has gained a better ES player but he is put onto a worse ES team. And now Patrick has to replace his Simmonds PP points and Kreiders PP points drop because he no longer gets good PP time. Couturier was our 2nd leading scoring forward in PP points on the 2nd unit last year....he had 2 points.

As I said 1-1, it's a deal I could get talked into doing. No way would I add a 1st rounder.

 

[Machinehead]

Philly has been a bad ES scoring team for while so that's not surprising. Good job PP points count too.

Reality is...let's say that trade went down.

Now Simmonds on the PP needs to be replaced by a RH guy. So now that's Patrick.

Then that leaves Kreider to go play on the 2nd unit which sucks ass and his PP points drop compared to in NY.

So now Philly has gained a better ES player but he is put onto a worse ES team. And now Patrick has to replace his Simmonds PP points and Kreiders PP points drop because he no longer gets good PP time. Couturier was our 2nd leading scoring forward in PP points on the 2nd unit last year....he had 2 points.

As I said 1-1, it's a deal I could get talked into doing. No way would I add a 1st rounder.

Don't see why handedness matters for you net-front guy, but sure, I could see why you wouldn't want to add a first.

 

[TrillMike]

I don’t think the Flyers do the OP

 

[Tripod]

The argument that keeps coming up in literally every Kreider thread is that he hasn't hit 30/60.

Yeah, he should burn in hell for being injured last year.

Doing it 1 time does not make him a 30 goal guy. It makes it an outlier. Do it multiple times to prove it wasn't a fluke.

 

[Tripod]

Don't see why handedness matters for you net-front guy, but sure, I could see why you wouldn't want to add a first.

Because we have plays that run thru Simmonds...Giroux to Simmonds to Voracek. And being a RH guy is needed for that play.

Also Voracek has poor shot so at times will slap pass it to Simmonds at the far post.

We don't just shoot the puck for Simminds to deflect or get rebounds from. We actually have some plays set up thru or for him.