Value of: Kovalchuk for your quality young Dman

[Not So Mighty]

I've heard Ryan Murray, who will raise?

My expectations are not sky-high, but I want a good young Dman.

In other news I'm looking to trade my 50" standard definition DVD/VCR combo box television for a 46" 4K smart television. Any takers? Come on, mines bigger! Take it!

 

[Syckle78]

The league ten years ago is not the same league it is now, so a straight up stats comparison is inappropriate. Ten years ago, Panarin would likely be in that 40-50 goal category as well.

The scoring difference ten years ago and today is very minimal.

 

[Its a Trap]

You'd think that if he was interested in coming to Boston that he'd be a great fit with Krejci. Bruins have a lot of high end prospects but I'm not familiar enough with what the Devils needs are outside of a top four NHL ready defenseman and I just don't see that as being his true value.

Lauzon or Lindgren?

Good young defense prospects.

 

[Tretyak 20]

The league ten years ago is not the same league it is now, so a straight up stats comparison is inappropriate. Ten years ago, Panarin would likely be in that 40-50 goal category as well.

No, he wouldn't.

 

[JimEIV]

So the team who wants his services is going to negotiate the contract with Kovalchuk...my thought is the Devils should receive a return in line with the salary Kovalchuk receives...

For example a RFA offer sheet compensation. Now an RFA is a young player so compensation shouldn't be the same for a 24 year old as a 34 year old but you can see the scale based on how much a team is willing to pay Kovalchuk would make sense
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$1,295,571 to $1,962,968 Third-round pick

$1,962,968 to $3,925,975 Second-round pick

$3,925,975 to $5,888,960 First and third-round picks

$5,888,960 to $7,851,948 First, second and third-round picks


Just a thought on measuring the value.

 

[Coach Parker]

Good young defense prospects.

Boston has LHD's Zboril, Lindgren and Lauzon from the last WJC's all looking to replace Chara next year as the LHD in the top 4.

I'd assume a prospect like that (or is the right side the target?) where the talks should be going?

 

[Tretyak 20]

Because he essentially has a NMC and can threaten the devils with staying in the khl if they won't send him to his desired team. That caps his value big time. The devils can only play hard ball for so long or risk getting nothing. This isn't a normal situation where they can force kovy to play for them until the deadline and try again.

Two things give the Devils significant leverage.

1). 35+ rule: Kovy is 34. Next year teams will be far more wary to sign a player in his position to a multi-year deal for significant money due to very significant recapture penalties that would be associated with the contract. He can wait until next year, but he would be kissing goodbye the kind of contract he wants.

2). Cap retention: If Kovy waits until next year and signs as a UFA, the signing team gets the entire cap hit. If he really wants a contender, he'll get significantly less, or he'll have to settle for a team with little to no shot at a Cup - like Vegas. The Devils have plenty of cap space, so for example could sign him to a $5 million contract and then retain the maximum allowed - I think around half.

Sure Kovy can go back to the KHL this year and the Devils get nothing, but Kovy blows a big hole in his own market value in the process. Don't believe for a second that he doesn't fully understand that.

 

[evnted]

Boston has LHD's Zboril, Lindgren and Lauzon from the last WJC's all looking to replace Chara next year as the LHD in the top 4.

I'd assume a prospect like that (or is the right side the target?) where the talks should be going?

LD is definitely preferred

 

[TT1]

Kovalchuk has no value, you expect to get Murray for him?

 

[Coach Parker]

LD is definitely preferred

Then I'd like to see a Lindgren or Lauzon for Kovalchuk provided the AAV is a good fit in Boston. I've always thought he would mesh well with Krejci.

 

[Its a Trap]

Kovalchuk has no value, you expect to get Murray for him?

Sure he does. The thread is proof of it.

 

[ClevelandJacketFan]

So Im confused on the whole situation...

Kovy is coming back and essientially will be a free agent. NJ is just the catalyst to get him to team x. Why should NJ be expecting any compensation over a middle to late round pick? The alternative is that NJ gets nothing and Kovy stays in the KHL.

Guess Im not sure why NJ should expect any value in this situation. Is there any precedent for this situation?

 

[Its a Trap]

So Im confused on the whole situation...

Kovy is coming back and essientially will be a free agent. NJ is just the catalyst to get him to team x. Why should NJ be expecting any compensation over a middle to late round pick? The alternative is that NJ gets nothing and Kovy stays in the KHL.

Guess Im not sure why NJ should expect any value in this situation. Is there any precedent for this situation?

Because such a team could possibly consider him that piece to make them a true contender and if the offer is only a 5th round pick, why bother helping someone get better if they won't help you. If that team is fine with waiting another year and signing him to a 35+ contract, so be it.

 

[Tretyak 20]

So Im confused on the whole situation...

Kovy is coming back and essientially will be a free agent. NJ is just the catalyst to get him to team x. Why should NJ be expecting any compensation over a middle to late round pick? The alternative is that NJ gets nothing and Kovy stays in the KHL.

Guess Im not sure why NJ should expect any value in this situation. Is there any precedent for this situation?

Read my post above.

 

[Eric Sachs]

So Im confused on the whole situation...

Kovy is coming back and essientially will be a free agent. NJ is just the catalyst to get him to team x. Why should NJ be expecting any compensation over a middle to late round pick? The alternative is that NJ gets nothing and Kovy stays in the KHL.

Guess Im not sure why NJ should expect any value in this situation. Is there any precedent for this situation?

that alternative is also Kovy doesn't get to play in the NHL and a team who thought they needed Kovy doesn't get to have him.

if you somehow think the Devils are the only team with something to lose here, you're badly mistaken. If anything, they have the least to lose.

He's also not essentially a free agent. He's the farthest thing from a free agent considering he can only sign with one team. Even RFAs have more negotiating power than he will as they can sign offer sheets... so he's more restricted than a restricted free agent, I guess

 

[Syckle78]

Sure he does. The thread is proof of it.

Devil fans arguing on an online forum with other fans that a 34 year old winger 4 years removed from NHL play has real value is proof of value? Interesting concept.

 

[Beezeral]

that alternative is also Kovy doesn't get to play in the NHL and a team who thought they needed Kovy doesn't get to have him.

if you somehow think the Devils are the only team with something to lose here, you're badly mistaken. If anything, they have the least to lose.

He's also not essentially a free agent. He's the farthest thing from a free agent considering he can only sign with one team. Even RFAs have more negotiating power than he will as they can sign offer sheets... so he's more restricted than a restricted free agent, I guess

This is a laughable take. Kovy does not have less power than a RFA.

 

[5cotland]

I honestly think that the Devils fans will be in for a real shock with what they get for Kovalchuk's rights.

No team is going to ridiculously overpay for someone who wants to come to the NHL but doesn't want to play for the team that holds his rights.

This is literally a free asset for the Devils so they can either get greedy and be left with nothing or negotiate a respectable offer.

 

[markog]

I honestly think that the Devils fans will be in for a real shock with what they get for Kovalchuk's rights.

No team is going to ridiculously overpay for someone who wants to come to the NHL but doesn't want to play for the team that holds his rights.

This is literally a free asset for the Devils so they can either get greedy and be left with nothing or negotiate a respectable offer.

Someone will be (NJ fans or fans from other clubs), and it won't be for his rights....

 

[Brock Radunske]

I've heard Ryan Murray, who will raise?

My expectations are not sky-high, but I want a good young Dman.

That's absurd. I doubt RM would be offered for IK and if he was, that's the best damn offer you should hope to get.

 

[goonybird]

In other news I'm looking to trade my 50" standard definition DVD/VCR combo box television for a 46" 4K smart television. Any takers? Come on, mines bigger! Take it!

That's a brutally stupid analogy

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah seriously doubt that any GM out there, Is going to give up a quality young D man for a 34 year old Kovalchuk. When all is said and done you might get a late 1st or a 2nd rounder for him. Doubt much more.

 

[Its a Trap]

Devil fans arguing on an online forum with other fans that a 34 year old winger 4 years removed from NHL play has real value is proof of value? Interesting concept.

You're right. It's not like these arguments are based on media reports that multiple teams are calling about him. But hey, good try.

 

[Steal Your Faceoff]

I honestly think that the Devils fans will be in for a real shock with what they get for Kovalchuk's rights.

No team is going to ridiculously overpay for someone who wants to come to the NHL but doesn't want to play for the team that holds his rights.

This is literally a free asset for the Devils so they can either get greedy and be left with nothing or negotiate a respectable offer.

Sure, some people are overestimating what he might bring back but some people treat the whole scenario with him like it's more of a problem for NJ than a benefit. The fact that he wants to play for a contender doesn't give those teams that want him leverage as long as there is at least two teams trying to acquire him. He is a free asset for NJ and while there is a specific date as to the earliest any deal can be made there is nothing forcing them to make a deal at that time.

We will most likely find out just how much someone wants him in short time.

 

[Dumais]

That's a brutally stupid analogy

Well, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Want a analogy, how would devil fans feel if I started a trade thread title "Ryan Murray for Top six forward" then in the OP "heard Taylor Hall, who's willing to beat that offer".