Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob ****show

[deeshamrock]

Off Topic, what a finish in the Chargers Chiefs game !!!

On Jeff Carter, and a trade. on INisder Trading tonight, Pierre LEBrun mentioned that although the Kings could move Carter, he does have 3 yrs left after this one on his contract. He loves living in Manhattan Beach. Should he be traded and elect to retire instead,the Kings would have a Cap Recapture of 3.5 M per yr for the remaining 3 yrs.

 

[kingsboy11]

Off Topic, what a finish in the Chargers Chiefs game !!!

On Jeff Carter, and a trade. on INisder Trading tonight, Pierre LEBrun mentioned that although the Kings could move Carter, he does have 3 yrs left after this one on his contract. He loves living in Manhattan Beach. Should he be traded and elect to retire instead,the Kings would have a Cap Recapture of 3.5 M for the remaining 3 yrs.

With that information out there that's going to significantly decrease his value. No team will want to trade for a player who might end retiring on them if he doesn't like the trade.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Off Topic, what a finish in the Chargers Chiefs game !!!

On Jeff Carter, and a trade. on INisder Trading tonight, Pierre LEBrun mentioned that although the Kings could move Carter, he does have 3 yrs left after this one on his contract. He loves living in Manhattan Beach. Should he be traded and elect to retire instead,the Kings would have a Cap Recapture of 3.5 M per yr for the remaining 3 yrs.

Really, geez I thought it was for like over 35 year old contracts or something. Does the same apply to Kopitar and Doughty?

 

[KINGS17]

Off Topic, what a finish in the Chargers Chiefs game !!!

On Jeff Carter, and a trade. on INisder Trading tonight, Pierre LEBrun mentioned that although the Kings could move Carter, he does have 3 yrs left after this one on his contract. He loves living in Manhattan Beach. Should he be traded and elect to retire instead,the Kings would have a Cap Recapture of 3.5 M per yr for the remaining 3 yrs.

The Kings are not going nowhere in the next 3 years anyway, so it doesn't matter. If there are some good assets coming back the Kings way, then trade Carter.

Carter is only going to make $3M, $2M, and $2M over the last 3 years of his deal starting next season. He may bag it even if he isn't traded. I wouldn't leave $7M on the table though.

 

[KINGS17]

With that information out there that's going to significantly decrease his value. No team will want to trade for a player who might end retiring on them if he doesn't like the trade.

The cap recapture is applied against the team which received the most benefit from the player signing a cap circumventing contract prior to the last CBA. So, even though the Flyers signed Carter to the deal, then traded him to Columbus, the recapture penalty is going to be on the Kings since they benefitted from the cap circumventing contract.

Here is an example from the article and why Nashville must win now.

Shea Weber could retire at 37 and stick the Predators with $6.9m of CRP for three whole years! This is because his contract is insanely front-loaded: He makes $14m each his first four years and only $1m per year in his last three seasons. Parise and Suter could both also stick their team with a major penalty by retiring early. Both carry a potential $6.5m CRP in their final two years.

The worst contract out there is actually Roberto Luongo's. This is because of the trade that sent him from Vancouver to Florida. Vancouver received a net cap benefit of about $8.5m by the time they sent him packing. That net cap benefit will remain there until the contract comes off the books. So if Luongo were to retire with one year left on his contract, Vancouver would actually be hit with a CRP of $8.5m. By that point, the net cap benefit for Florida will be negative so they won't be penalized at all.

 

[Kingspiracy]

The cap recapture is applied against the team which received the most benefit from the player signing a cap circumventing contract prior to the last CBA. So, even though the Flyers signed Carter to the deal, then traded him to Columbus, the recapture penalty is going to be on the Kings since they benefitted from the cap circumventing contract.

Here is an example from the article and why Nashville must win now.

Shea Weber could retire at 37 and stick the Predators with $6.9m of CRP for three whole years! This is because his contract is insanely front-loaded: He makes $14m each his first four years and only $1m per year in his last three seasons. Parise and Suter could both also stick their team with a major penalty by retiring early. Both carry a potential $6.5m CRP in their final two years.

The worst contract out there is actually Roberto Luongo's. This is because of the trade that sent him from Vancouver to Florida. Vancouver received a net cap benefit of about $8.5m by the time they sent him packing. That net cap benefit will remain there until the contract comes off the books. So if Luongo were to retire with one year left on his contract, Vancouver would actually be hit with a CRP of $8.5m. By that point, the net cap benefit for Florida will be negative so they won't be penalized at all.

Could it not be argued that Philly received significant benefit from the contract due to the assets that they obtained from the trade, ie carter is worth more in a trade when he has a dodgy contract. It probably wouldn't effect LA much, but the idea is horse shit to be penalised over a contract signed before the rules came in.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Off Topic, what a finish in the Chargers Chiefs game !!!

On Jeff Carter, and a trade. on INisder Trading tonight, Pierre LEBrun mentioned that although the Kings could move Carter, he does have 3 yrs left after this one on his contract. He loves living in Manhattan Beach. Should he be traded and elect to retire instead,the Kings would have a Cap Recapture of 3.5 M per yr for the remaining 3 yrs.

I thought Philadelphia was the one getting hit with those penalties? Or was that on Richards?

 

[KINGS17]

Could it not be argued that Philly received significant benefit from the contract due to the assets that they obtained from the trade, ie carter is worth more in a trade when he has a dodgy contract. It probably wouldn't effect LA much, but the idea is horse **** to be penalised over a contract signed before the rules came in.

Impossible to determine as trades are in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Fishhead]

I thought Philadelphia was the one getting hit with those penalties? Or was that on Richards?

It's the Kings, because they traded for Carter and Richards before the latest CBA was implemented. The thought process is that they were the one benefiting from the contract under the new CBA, not the original team who signed the deal.

 

[Fishhead]

Could it not be argued that Philly received significant benefit from the contract due to the assets that they obtained from the trade, ie carter is worth more in a trade when he has a dodgy contract. It probably wouldn't effect LA much, but the idea is horse **** to be penalised over a contract signed before the rules came in.

It is horseshit, really. Those contracts should have been grandfathered in, since there was no possible way to know there would be penalties for the teams who either signed them or traded for them until 2013. I understand the whole benefit thing, but it was something that wasn't very well thought out. Contracts signed after 2013 should have been subject to the rule, not those before.

 

[deaderhead28]

The Kings are not going nowhere in the next 3 years anyway, so it doesn't matter. If there are some good assets coming back the Kings way, then trade Carter.

Carter is only going to make $3M, $2M, and $2M over the last 3 years of his deal starting next season. He may bag it even if he isn't traded. I wouldn't leave $7M on the table though.

So I take it, Quicks contract would also hit Kings with a cap recapture if traded and retired?Man just thinking if Kopi,Carter and Quick were to be traded and just decides to retire one day before their contract is up with their cap hits.Is Phanuef contract on Ottawa?

 

[Winger23]

So I take it, Quicks contract would also hit Kings with a cap recapture if traded and retired?Man just thinking if Kopi,Carter and Quick were to be traded and just decides to retire one day before their contract is up with their cap hits.Is Phanuef contract on Ottawa?

Unless something drastic happens in thier lives, there is little to no chance these guys would throw millions away by deciding to retire out of the blue.

The only ones I can see doing this are those with front loaded deals.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Cool, another variable in the Carter equation.

Lombardi didn't want guys that just wanted to live in LA. Then he had to increasingly get players that just wanted to live in LA in order to increase the actual talent level on the team. A Faustian bargain.

 

[kovacro]

Off Topic, what a finish in the Chargers Chiefs game !!!

On Jeff Carter, and a trade. on INisder Trading tonight, Pierre LEBrun mentioned that although the Kings could move Carter, he does have 3 yrs left after this one on his contract. He loves living in Manhattan Beach. Should he be traded and elect to retire instead,the Kings would have a Cap Recapture of 3.5 M per yr for the remaining 3 yrs.

If he signed his deal with Philadelphia, would they not be on the hook? Similar to if Shea Weber retires, Nashville would be on the hook for the recapture penalty which would be substantial as I understand it.

OT: yeah, great finish to the Thurs Night Game. Could of used more points from Mahomes as he is on my FF Team.

 

[BigKing]

Due to the low actual dollars remaining for Carter and his prior CBJ experience, you'd have to send him somewhere he'd be happy.

So that's cool.

 

[KingsFan7824]

It is horse****, really. Those contracts should have been grandfathered in, since there was no possible way to know there would be penalties for the teams who either signed them or traded for them until 2013. I understand the whole benefit thing, but it was something that wasn't very well thought out. Contracts signed after 2013 should have been subject to the rule, not those before.

Contracts signed after 2013 have more limitations on them. Limits that were designed specifically to not allow pre-2013 contracts to happen.

Teams knew what they were doing. Players/agents knew what they were doing. The problem comes from the league not being able to close loopholes before they're taken advantage of by smart and/or competitive people. That's the downside of a hard salary cap. You have to increasingly restrict what people can do for the system to work, because if humans do anything well, it's getting around limits. We push the envelope to get an edge in competition. That's why everything usually ends up as a monopoly. Left to itself, the NHL would just be the 23 most elite guys on the Maple Leafs playing each other in practice. It would be a hell of a practice though.

 

[Reaper45]

There are ways around this. All of these guys have some sort of long term injury that would qualify them for LTIR. That way the player gets paid, the team gets cap relief and no recapture. Kovy has his back and now his ankle. Carter has his tendon issue and years of bad feet. Quicks lower body is all surgically repaired. Only one who'd be tough is Kopitar. If Hossa can miraculously get a skin rash, these guys with serious long term injuries will be fine.

 

[Cook24]

What would it take to get Gostisbehere out of Philly...if even possible...

 

[Peter James Bond II]

TSN trade speculation....holiday trade freeze begins next Wednesday.

Kings on the list: #2 Muzzin #5 Carter #16 Martinez
Also read a rumor MTL wants Muzzin. Not sure what a good fit would be....young RHD Noah Juulsen + pick?
Kapanen #21 on list and Andreas Johnsson #22...both RFA next yr. When was the last DECADE the Kings
traded for a young, quality NHL player? (Kings have only traded young, quality NHL players; Simmonds, Schenn. How about being on the other end of that type of good thing??)

https://www.tsn.ca/parayko-tops-tsn-trade-bait-board-ahead-of-roster-freeze-1.1226273

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Tyler Toffoli has one goal scored in the last 19 games, and hasn't scored a goal since November 16, which was 16 games ago.

I wonder what other teams think of him.

 

[KingsFan7824]

When was the last DECADE the Kings traded for a young, quality NHL player? (Kings have only traded young, quality NHL players; Simmonds, Schenn. How about being on the other end of that type of good thing??)

What do you think the Kings would have to offer to get a young, quality NHL player?

 

[Peter James Bond II]

What do you think the Kings would have to offer to get a young, quality NHL player?

Muzzin or Quick or 2019 #1. (would not trade the #1 though)

 

[AlphaBravo]

This idea of Carter retiring if traded is wacky. No one is leaving millions of dollars on the table just because they don't want to play somewhere. The guy is in his 30s, and will need every penny he can get to retire comfortably after leaving the game.

 

[Reaper45]

This idea of Carter retiring if traded is wacky. No one is leaving millions of dollars on the table just because they don't want to play somewhere. The guy is in his 30s, and will need every penny he can get to retire comfortably after leaving the game.

He could always sell his Manhattan Beach home.

 

[BigKing]

This idea of Carter retiring if traded is wacky. No one is leaving millions of dollars on the table just because they don't want to play somewhere. The guy is in his 30s, and will need every penny he can get to retire comfortably after leaving the game.

I tend to agree with this since it is still a lot of money.

Only thing that gives me pause is how petulant he was about going to CBJ. Even if they shipped him somewhere he didn't want to go, he'd more than likely report but I'm prepared for anything at this point.