Keeping Barrie/Defense Past This Season
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Rielly still has 2 years after this one. A lot of things can change. Nobody has any idea of a cap estimate even.
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I think it depends how Dermott's play continues to grow, and how many games Sandin and/or Liljegren play for the Leafs that will determine if we re-sign Barrie. Too many unknowns at this point.
Menzinger
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I remember the last expansion draft, that didn't tend to go well for the teams doing the side deals
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That would be excellent .. Dermott's next contract is projected to be quite good based on recent signings, meaning the Leafs could have upward $12 mill to re-sign Barrie/Muzzin. Not sure Dubas could get both, but that could also give some space for Ceci (if he performs well enough).
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If Vegas was any lesson, just let them take the asset and move on. Getting into losing picks, prospects, etc. doesn't really benefit in the long run.
Trouba got that money as a RFA and Barrie is going to be a UFA, and how high is Carlson?
Carlson was signed a year ago, Barrie is going to sign 2 years later
Ya been pondering that, it didn't work out for alot of Teams last time but it may be better for us in any case.
I'm starting see why there should be more urgency to see what we have in our D prospects starting with Sandin.
I was very impressed with him last nite, especially given he played both sides with diff. partners and also had both pk & pp mins. Didn't look out of place at all! Very early I know but I think the door should be wide open for him to earn a spot.
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Well I dont think we can sign any more big contracts passed when rielly expires to lock him up so does that kinda kill this idea?
Also depends how season goes for him on this team. If hes lights out can u make exception?
Because pietrangelo is also a ufa, I'd rather him even though I think he resign soon
Also depends how season goes for him on this team. If hes lights out can u make exception?
Because pietrangelo is also a ufa, I'd rather him even though I think he resign soon
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I cannot see a scenario where we keep Muzzin and Barrie without losing a key depth piece. By "key depth" I mean one of Kapanen/Johnsson/Kerfoot/Hyman would have to go. I'm assuming our top 4 is untouchable.
If the cap goes up $2M next year and Ceci leaves, that's an additional $6.5M to use next year. Add that to the $2.75M Barrie's making and $4.0M Muzzin's making, and you've got $13.25M to use on the both of them. Muzzin's going to be looking for $5M and Barrie's going to be looking for $8M, so maybe that covers it. But Dermott's a key piece that needs to be signed, and he's likely looking at $4M+ on a long-term deal or in the $3M's on a short-term deal. That raise will cost us a "key depth" piece.
If the cap goes up $2M next year and Ceci leaves, that's an additional $6.5M to use next year. Add that to the $2.75M Barrie's making and $4.0M Muzzin's making, and you've got $13.25M to use on the both of them. Muzzin's going to be looking for $5M and Barrie's going to be looking for $8M, so maybe that covers it. But Dermott's a key piece that needs to be signed, and he's likely looking at $4M+ on a long-term deal or in the $3M's on a short-term deal. That raise will cost us a "key depth" piece.
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We won't be subtracting from our roster for 1st picks for at least ten years.baffles me that people think this..
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The issue is you then have to fill the 3C role, which is not necessarily cheap.
Next year is best overall draft class since the 95s. We need a 1st rounder. It is a very very deep draft. But agree with your premise in general depending on draft class strength. We should at minimum look at trading up our multiple picks for a 1st next year.
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Except all hands on deck for a cup. Stanley cup>>>>>>>next years draft class. We can make moves at the draft to get in round one if we need to and GM's ain't giving picks away just because we need one. "Oh you don't want to lose ceci for nothing? Mmmkay hers all the firsts derp!!!!"”
Jvr,bozak,gardnier all kepted despite hf "derp a lerp duh need dem firsts late round picks >>>>>progressing our program towards a championship""
Menzinger
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For some definitely.
But can still be worth it if the team js trying to be as competitive as possible -just be smarter with what assets are used.
Agreed but it is different now for a 2nd reason. We are now a CAP team. So there are guys we are not going to keep next season. If Barrie does not really add a lot extra for playoffs then it may make sense to get a 1st rounder for him. or maybe Ceci but I think we will really need him more than everyone thinks.
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Yeah, AJ, Kap or Willy for D help
Muzz will be gone and if it happens, we will re-up Barrie for 8/9AAV
If the player is good the side deal is going to be ugly, what would you be willing to accept instead of say Dermott?
He's a young more than likely top 4 defenseman under team control for years, I'd want plenty to leave that on the board
Menzinger
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Keep in mind, at the time of those side deals most commentators thought the prices set by Vegas were reasonable. It wasnt until later did they seem lopsided.
Which is a cautionary tale, side deals may seem ok at the time but didn't age well so avoid doing side deals
Liljegren and Sandin are exempt, so Rielly, Dermott and one more guy should be the plan
