Karlsson Trade

[Pavel Buchnevich]

5.75 million for a top pairing defensemen with multiple 1st round picks going your way?

That makes no sense.

You'll be paying 5.75 for a 6th or 7th D the last few years of that contract. He's declining every year. Will he even be a top pairing defenseman in two years? Not every team needs that style of player immediately. In fact, my team doesn't.

I amended my post slightly, but the main point remains the same. It would probably take knowledge that I'm likely getting back an early lottery pick to take on that contract. A few late firsts and 50% retention won't be enough. Karlsson's contract is a certified albatross. One of the worst contracts in a salary cap league.

 

[Gurglesons]

What teams would be willing to do that?

Off the top of my head?

Edmonton
Florida
Detroit
Arizona
NYI

 

[Gurglesons]

You'll be paying 5.75 for a 6th or 7th D the last few years of that contract. He's declining every year. Will he even be a top pairing defenseman in two years? Not every team needs that style of player immediately. In fact, my team doesn't.

I amended my post slightly, but the main point remains the same. It would probably take knowledge that I'm likely getting back an early lottery pick to take on that contract. A few late firsts and 50% retention won't be enough. Karlsson's contract is a certified albatross. One of the worst contracts in a salary cap league.

You make it seem like Karlsson was not a very good PPG defensemen in the league last year in the Pietrangelo and Letang realm.

Pietrangelo is going to get EK money.

 

[2Pair]

Off the top of my head?

Edmonton
Florida
Detroit
Arizona
NYI

I figured that I would get a chuckle out of any list that you tried to make, but holy shit is this bad.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You make it seem like Karlsson was not a very good PPG defensemen in the league last year in the Pietrangelo and Letang realm.

Pietrangelo is going to get EK money.

But he wasn't a PPG defenseman this season, and I think you'd probably even agree he's getting worse, not better. If I'm getting a player that this season was a glorified Barrie or Shattenkirk, and I expect further decline due to an accumulation of injuries, why does it matter how he did in 2018-19? Why should I pay for his career accomplishments?

 

[Gurglesons]

But he wasn't a PPG defenseman this season, and I think you'd probably even agree he's getting worse, not better. If I'm getting a player that this season was a glorified Barrie or Shattenkirk, and I expect further decline due to an accumulation of injuries, why does it matter how he did in 2018-19? Why should I pay for his career accomplishments?

Pretty off base analysis tbh.

 

[Gurglesons]

I figured that I would get a chuckle out of any list that you tried to make, but holy shit is this bad.

Nice argument. Pretty obvious some in here had agendas prior to Karlsson ever having a poor season.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

He’s not worth a first without retention.

 

[2Pair]

Nice argument. Pretty obvious some in here had agendas prior to Karlsson ever having a poor season.

You think your horseshit list deserved a counter argument? Pretty obvious some in here have zero understanding of a salary cap league. Hell, some aren't even bright enough to know which teams still have a 1st round pick.

 

[Gurglesons]

You think your horseshit list deserved a counter argument? Pretty obvious some in here have zero understanding of a salary cap league. Hell, some aren't even bright enough to know which teams still have a 1st round pick.

Are we saying this trade immediately happens? Teams will make cap space for a player like Karlsson.

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

As long as EK keeps having injury issues and his form seems unclear to a point where you don't really know what you're getting, i wouldn't trade a 1st round pick for that cap hit. We're talking 3 consecutive up and down seasons where he's been what he's capable of for like total of 6 months ?

I could spend that cap room on 2 mid-range top 6F/top 4D players and i believe that is the better option for the team and depth. EK would have to be a big time difference maker to beat that in my mind, and right now he's just too unreliable.

If i end up looking silly in the end and he has some of his best years in the next 5 or so seasons, then so be it. It's a game of chance anyway.

 

[jetsforever]

I'd trade a 1st+, this is Karlsson we're talking about.

 

[2Pair]

Are we saying this trade immediately happens? Teams will make cap space for a player like Karlsson.

Explain how Edmonton and/or Florida make the cap space to take on Karlsson and still have a team worth discussing?

 

[armani]

Karlsson never looked the same after that 2nd surgery. He has been plagued by injuries before and since the 2017 ECF run.

If he can stay healthy and play consistently, I would gladly take him back to Ottawa at 25% retention.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

making the money work would be difficult/impossible for a team like tampa but hes still a quite good dman who id love to acquire

 

[BlueBaron]

Too much risk for my teams Cap situation.

 

[Gurglesons]

Explain how Edmonton and/or Florida make the cap space to take on Karlsson and still have a team worth discussing?

Move Russell in the trade, not resign AA or Mike Smith.

 

[2Pair]

Move Russell in the trade, not resign AA or Mike Smith.

1. Adding Russel to the trade isn't allowed.
2. your trade still isn't close to working unless the cap goes up about $5M. That isn't happening.

Maybe make a real effort this time?

 

[joe dirte]

There are a ton of teams that would trade a 1st for Erik Karlsson. What is this?

Seems like by the results youre in a heavy minority thinking that.

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Off the top of my head?

Edmonton
Florida
Detroit
Arizona
NYI

What?

NYI has no interest in that.

 

[joe dirte]

You make it seem like Karlsson was not a very good PPG defensemen in the league last year in the Pietrangelo and Letang realm.

Pietrangelo is going to get EK money.

He wasnt PPG and he certainly was nowhere near the Pietrangelo or even Letang realm.

 

[Tryblot]

You make it seem like Karlsson was not a very good PPG defensemen in the league last year in the Pietrangelo and Letang realm.

Pietrangelo is going to get EK money.

Pietrangelo is better than karlsson.

 

[Yozhik v tumane]

Seems like by the results youre in a heavy minority thinking that.

1. Doesn’t matter, necessarily. If 22.1% of GMs would trade a first for Karlsson then you’d have 6-7 teams interested. Not that I think that’s the case, Karlsson’s contract will be a contentious issue for any team in a cap league — however — I do think that with retention, a lot of teams should be interested and would give up valuable assets for him. Didn’t see that option in the poll?

2. I tend to agree with the posters who called out this poll for being shit. It’s definitely biased towards a highly negative notion of Karlsson’s value. How many teams can fit Karlsson under their cap? How many feel like they would love to see Karlsson on their team but realizes it would not make sense for them to try and obtain him? Why are most of the options variants of “Karlsson is worth nothing of value in return”, when the issue at hand for most is his massive cap hit over term, rather than his upside as a player?

 

[bert]

There are a ton of teams that would trade a 1st for Erik Karlsson. What is this?

Its one mans obsession with Karlsson.

Are you upset at me or something? Why did you feel yet another Karlsson thread is needed?

Its unhealthy.

5.75 million for a top pairing defensemen with multiple 1st round picks going your way?

That makes no sense.

Hf hyperbole. Maybe PTSD from 2017? Who knows.

 

[joe dirte]

1. Doesn’t matter, necessarily. If 22.1% of GMs would trade a first for Karlsson then you’d have 6-7 teams interested. Not that I think that’s the case, Karlsson’s contract will be a contentious issue for any team in a cap league — however — I do think that with retention, a lot of teams should be interested and would give up valuable assets for him. Didn’t see that option in the poll?

2. I tend to agree with the posters who called out this poll for being shit. It’s definitely biased towards a highly negative notion of Karlsson’s value. How many teams can fit Karlsson under their cap? How many feel like they would love to see Karlsson on their team but realizes it would not make sense for them to try and obtain him? Why are most of the options variants of “Karlsson is worth nothing of value in return”, when the issue at hand for most is his massive cap hit over term, rather than his upside as a player?

Because this started with s disagreement where some sharks tans contenfed they would get a haul and not require retained sakary if they traded him.