Friedman: Karlsson trade talks picking up, Vancouver interested

[Zapp]

Ummm...I never said he was, just that it is a possibility, in spite of what the "experts" here claim.

It's not "experts here". You're saying virtually every professional analyst who has chimed in on it is wrong. They've all said Heiskanen is a no go. You can't argue that theres all the proof in the world to validate it.

 

[VicVinegar]

It's not "experts here". You're saying virtually every professional analyst who has chimed in on it is wrong. They've all said Heiskanen is a no go. You can't argue that theres all the proof in the world to validate that.

Too much logic.

 

[Sensung]

EK might retire before the season starts. Nothing indicates it, but it's a possibility (he's gone through a lot in his personal life), so I'll post it here to take away from any meaningful conversation.

How you're allowed to post on these boards is beyond reason.

Sorry I post options you'd prefer not to consider.

Would you like to retire to your safe space now?

Nill made his comments re: Heiskanen earlier in the summer. He can change his mind. Seguin being difficult to sign might be the kind of impetus that causes him to do so.

 

[VicVinegar]

Sorry I post options you'd prefer not to consider.

Would you like to retire to your safe space now?

Nill made his comments re: Heiskanen earlier in the summer. He can change his mind. Seguin being difficult to sign might be the kind of impetus that causes him to do so.

You believe Karlsson is re-signing anyway. Why bother with these trade threads? Oh, right...

 

[Sensung]

Trollololol

How is my posting valid options you'd prefer not to consider trolling?

Unlike your side, I'm not claiming my unsubstantiated opinion is fact, just a possibility. f

If anything, the posters claiming absolutes should be banned for acting like they have inside knowledge of the trade talks.

 

[VicVinegar]

I quote GMs, you quote Sens fans.

I wonder what holds more weight?

 

[Sensung]

It's not "experts here". You're saying virtually every professional analyst who has chimed in on it is wrong. They've all said Heiskanen is a no go. You can't argue that theres all the proof in the world to validate it.

Nill went on record earlier in the summer and stated Heiskanen is a no go.

It is no longer earlier in the summer.

If the trade talks are still on-going, one of the two parties may have softened their stance. You'd prefer to ignore the possibility that it is Nill who has changed his offer.

 

[VicVinegar]

Nill went on record earlier in the summer and stated Heiskanen is a no go.

It is no longer earlier in the summer.

If the trade talks are still on-going, one of the two parties may have softened their stance. You'd prefer to ignore the possibility that it is Nill who has changed his offer.

So you believe EK might want nothing to do with the Sens organization anymore?

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

I quote GMs, you quote Sens fans.

I wonder what holds more weight?

Maybe Sens fans. Only a fool would believe what a GM would say publicly about trade and/or contract negotiations.

 

[Zapp]

Nill went on record earlier in the summer and stated Heiskanen is a no go.

It is no longer earlier in the summer.

If the trade talks are still on-going, one of the two parties may have softened their stance. You'd prefer to ignore the possibility that it is Nill who has changed his offer.

Like I said, you're really reaching on that. Not saying it's impossible, but it's a reach nonetheless. But if you're going to have that diversity in your thought process why are you having trouble considering Ottawa has interest in Honka?

Can't use one-way streets only when its convenient for you.

 

[hairylikebear]

You know this how?

Maybe that isn't enough for Dorion.

People are very fond of posting their unsubstantiated opinions as facts.

If you can post nonsensical garbage without any facts or knowledge, then I can too.

 

[Sensung]

So you believe EK might want nothing to do with the Sens organization anymore?

I believe that the possibility exists, sure. Maybe something happened to change EK's mind. If he has heard that Melnyk maintains control over the franchise going forward than I don't believe he will sign. (Note, I'm not saying there is no chance he does, just that I don't believe it to be likely)

I'm not the one refusing to look at perfectly viable possibilities or stating absolutes that are not backed by facts. I'll leave that to Dallas and Tampa Fans.

 

[VicVinegar]

Maybe Sens fans. Only a fool would believe what a GM would say publicly about trade and/or contract negotiations.

So why do we even post things that GMs say? Why are they interviewed if it holds less value than what random fans say? Don't bother answering, I can't take another irrational/illogical response.

 

[Sensung]

Like I said, you're really reaching on that. Not saying it's impossible, but it's a reach nonetheless. But if you're going to have that diversity in your thought process why are you having trouble considering Ottawa has interest in Honka?

Can't use one-way streets only when its convenient for you.

I wasn't saying Ottawa had no interest, just that I wouldn't personally do a deal with Honka as a central piece.
I don't make trades on behalf of NHL teams, nor do I pretend like my opinion is law.

 

[VicVinegar]

I believe that the possibility exists, sure. Maybe something happened to change EK's mind. If he has heard that Melnyk maintains control over the franchise going forward than I don't believe he will sign. (Note, I'm not saying there is no chance he does, just that I don't believe it to be likely)

I'm not the one refusing to look at perfectly viable possibilities or stating absolutes that are not backed by facts. I'll leave that to Dallas and Tampa Fans.

Your possibilities are one in a million. You focus on the smallest of options and hold them as same value as ones that have evidence behind them. I'd bet you're a conspiracy theorists too.

 

[Sensung]

Your possibilities are one in a million. You focus on the smallest of options and hold them as same value as ones that have evidence behind them. I'd bet you're a conspiracy theorists too.

Nill changing his stance on trading an asset is far greater than one in a million, no matter how much you protest.

And do yourself the favour of not engaging in personal attacks. It's embarrassing and makes your position appear weaker than it already is.

 

[VicVinegar]

Nill changing his stance on trading an asset is far greater than one in a million. no matter how much you protest.

And do yourself the favour of not engaging in personal attacks. It's embarrassing and makes your position appear weaker than it already is.

You're done, you provide nothing a value to HF, in fact you provide negative value (ala Bobby Ryan).

 

[hairylikebear]

Bill Daly annoucing that Melnyk is not selling the Senators, from last June:
https://www.tsn.ca/daly-not-accurate-to-suggest-sens-are-for-sale-1.1125697

Heiskanen unavailable in Karlsson trade, August 22nd


Anything that contradicts either of the above is unsubstantiated speculation unless presented with a recent source.

 

[VicVinegar]

Bill Daly annoucing that Melnyk is not selling the Senators, from last June:
https://www.tsn.ca/daly-not-accurate-to-suggest-sens-are-for-sale-1.1125697

Heiskanen unavailable in Karlsson trade, August 22nd


Anything that contradicts either of the above is unsubstantiated speculation unless presented with a recent source.

Oh well that wasn't said this month, therefore things can change. Sensung logic.

 

[Sensung]

You're done, you provide nothing a value to HF, in fact you provide negative value (ala Bobby Ryan).

Too funny.

You can't handle someone who points out your narrow minded view of the situation, so you lash out.

Perhaps you should consider a more adult approach.

 

[Iceman]

Bill Daly annoucing that Melnyk is not selling the Senators, from last June:
https://www.tsn.ca/daly-not-accurate-to-suggest-sens-are-for-sale-1.1125697

Heiskanen unavailable in Karlsson trade, August 22nd


Anything that contradicts either of the above is unsubstantiated speculation unless presented with a recent source.

Who are all these random nobodies that people quote all the time? I think we've gotten like 45 quotes from different people and HFBoards treat it like it's gospel. He doesn't know shit, just like everybody else.

 

[VicVinegar]

Too funny.

You can't handle someone who points out your narrow minded view of the situation, so you lash out.

Perhaps you should consider a more adult approach.

Hahaha, my thoughts are narrow minded. Keep it coming.

Maybe you should think like an adult.

 

[TML1967]

At this point, at a Leafs fan, I just want them to keep him till th3 end of the year.
It makes them allot harder to beat this year but not getting a big return will set them back a ton.
An extra young blue chip prospect + 1st (which is the minimum i think he goes for) could be a huge loss if he isnt moved.

 

[Sensung]

Bill Daly annoucing that Melnyk is not selling the Senators, from last June:
https://www.tsn.ca/daly-not-accurate-to-suggest-sens-are-for-sale-1.1125697

Heiskanen unavailable in Karlsson trade, August 22nd


Anything that contradicts either of the above is unsubstantiated speculation unless presented with a recent source.

Shapiro is the GM for the Stars...when did they fire Nill?

And since when did people become so naive that they began to take GM's at their word during negotiations?

Oilers not for sale...
Oilers not for sale, owners tell billionaire suitor | CBC News

 

[Sensung]

Hahaha, my thoughts are narrow minded. Keep it coming.

Maybe you should think like an adult.

If the Sens and Dallas failed to negotiate a trade in the past, but are still talking, why do you assume that only the Sens could be changing their ask, not Dallas changing their offer?