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The only opinions that matter are the people actually negotiating the deal, not posters on an internet forum who take themselves far too seriously.
Friedman: Karlsson trade talks picking up, Vancouver interested
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Ottawa is probably 9 of them. Florida for Hoffman would be the 10th.
For one year, I think he'd put up with just about anywhere to get outta dodge.
True, but he can refuse to negotiate an extension with any team, and an extended Karlsson is going to be worth a heck of a lot more than a rental.
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Bingo!
EK 100% controls where he goes. I don’t see why the Leafs don’t step up here? Nylander plus Liljegren, plus 2019 first should be enough to get EK (extended, of course)
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I'd do that if there was someway to offset Zaitsev in the deal for salary purposes.
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I think Ottawa would be insane not to take such a deal. If they keep holding on to EK, his value is only going to drop e en more. Heck, what if he hurts his ankle early in the season? Then he becomes worthless!
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Tbh as a Leafs fan, seeing Bolts fans not want to include Point or MS or Oilers fans not wanting to include LD, making the deal as Nylander + Liljegren + 1st makes me think we're overpaying considering I doubt another team would be willing to top that offer or come close.
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LMAO what kind of backwards logic is that. Prove to me that Honka is good by trading me another prospect who can independently be just as good if not better.
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For a signed Karlsson I'd be willing to go Nylander + 1st + Zaitsev.
Rielly-Karlsson
Dermott-Hainsey
Borgman-Liljegren
The skating ability of that top pair would be incredible to watch
Asking because I don't know. Is Karlsson expected to attend training camp? Is there any info on this?
My personal suspicion is that he would sit.
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What's this guy worth if he's hating it? Unhappy employees are disruptive even if they mouth platitudes publicly. Even if this guy gives his everything, he is still a man apart.
Any dude on a one year deal is worth one season of play, in market terms. Read this thread to understand Ottawa's problem. Fans expect the return a signed for eight years guy would get. Or more. Hahaha! Poor bastards. I remember the Kesler trade. It was like making friends with a cell mate.
Karlsson has his team backed into a corner. He seems to be playing it so they get nothing. He has no value now, except what he allows. Duh! If he wanted to, he could opt for season ending elective surgery right before camp. What is Ottawa going to do? Beg? I think that time passed.
Ottawa may be trying to get a bid war going but they haven't taken the obligatory step of re-signing the asset. Realistic offers probably make them cry. I know posters become butthurt. This is what happens when you sour a player. Kesler went sour and stood over Vancouver like a tougher cell mate.
Edler and a third rounder.
Sorry about your feels.
By the way, the only nice thing about Ottawa is Hull.
Any dude on a one year deal is worth one season of play, in market terms. Read this thread to understand Ottawa's problem. Fans expect the return a signed for eight years guy would get. Or more. Hahaha! Poor bastards. I remember the Kesler trade. It was like making friends with a cell mate.
Karlsson has his team backed into a corner. He seems to be playing it so they get nothing. He has no value now, except what he allows. Duh! If he wanted to, he could opt for season ending elective surgery right before camp. What is Ottawa going to do? Beg? I think that time passed.
Ottawa may be trying to get a bid war going but they haven't taken the obligatory step of re-signing the asset. Realistic offers probably make them cry. I know posters become butthurt. This is what happens when you sour a player. Kesler went sour and stood over Vancouver like a tougher cell mate.
Edler and a third rounder.
Sorry about your feels.
By the way, the only nice thing about Ottawa is Hull.
Nobody is going to pay Ottawa's price for one year of Erik Karlsson. So it's going to have to be a 'trade and sign' or a 'sign and trade' deal. Sens are over a barrel. But if recent history holds true, Karlsson will play out the season in the Canadian capital, and then either get dealt at the trade deadline for the equivalent of 'table scraps' or walk on July 1st as a UFA for nothing.
It's a mess in Ottawa, and they don't even hold a first-round pick in 2019 as compensation. So if they fail to even get a first-rounder back for Karlsson, the fan base could be in open revolt.
It's a mess in Ottawa, and they don't even hold a first-round pick in 2019 as compensation. So if they fail to even get a first-rounder back for Karlsson, the fan base could be in open revolt.
Three way trade:
Tampa sends a cap dump to Vegas for Jake Leschyshyn, then Tampa sends him and Cal Foote for Erik Karlson.
With Wolanin Ottawa gets a half it's D corp made up of sons on members of the 1996 Stanley Cup Colorado Avalanche.
Tampa sends a cap dump to Vegas for Jake Leschyshyn, then Tampa sends him and Cal Foote for Erik Karlson.
With Wolanin Ottawa gets a half it's D corp made up of sons on members of the 1996 Stanley Cup Colorado Avalanche.
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He will attend. For what reason would he holdout? He is still under contract for the 2018/2019 season and from no accounts has even requested a trade. The issue is the two sides don’t see eye to eye on some issues moving forward and it hasn’t resulted in a contract extension. The relationship between the two sides isn’t near the point of a veteran player sitting out training camp.
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Seeing as they just acquired a goaltending prospect they seem to be high on, I’m not sure they will push at all for Oettinger
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I am by no means a Senators expert, but here is what I would do in their shoes;
Put a deadline on trading Karlsson for example the start of training camp. Any of the 21 teams not on his list can put in an offer and he goes for the package that they like the best. It doesn’t seem like at this point they will get any of Sergachev, Heiskanen, or Glass, but doesn’t mean they still can’t get a good haul of futures.
After that do the same for Stone and Duchene if they don’t want to re-sign. Once again it’s unlikely they will get a huge piece, but the return will be better now then at the deadline. They will have 3 1st round picks and with the parity in the NHL and the lottery those picks could be anywhere from 1-31. Even if the picks are lottery protected (there might be bold teams willing to do no protection) they will get an unprotected 1st the following year.
That’s my take. I know it means that Ottawa would finish bottom five and might gift Jake Hughes to Colorado, but the pick is gone doesn’t matter who it ends up being. Rip off the bandaid and start it. Ottawa already has a good group of under 23 players, maximizing the return on these three would be huge.
Put a deadline on trading Karlsson for example the start of training camp. Any of the 21 teams not on his list can put in an offer and he goes for the package that they like the best. It doesn’t seem like at this point they will get any of Sergachev, Heiskanen, or Glass, but doesn’t mean they still can’t get a good haul of futures.
After that do the same for Stone and Duchene if they don’t want to re-sign. Once again it’s unlikely they will get a huge piece, but the return will be better now then at the deadline. They will have 3 1st round picks and with the parity in the NHL and the lottery those picks could be anywhere from 1-31. Even if the picks are lottery protected (there might be bold teams willing to do no protection) they will get an unprotected 1st the following year.
That’s my take. I know it means that Ottawa would finish bottom five and might gift Jake Hughes to Colorado, but the pick is gone doesn’t matter who it ends up being. Rip off the bandaid and start it. Ottawa already has a good group of under 23 players, maximizing the return on these three would be huge.
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20 teams unless they are allowed to trade EK to themselves...
Terrible advice, but it could benefit the Stars so I understand why you like the idea.
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Yeah the only reason I wrote that out was to benifit the Stars. Jeez your a bitter person.
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I made no comment on your motivation for your lengthy post, but instead commented on the reason you're fond of the idea.
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I guess I would be interested.Three way trade:
Tampa sends a cap dump to Vegas for Jake Leschyshyn, then Tampa sends him and Cal Foote for Erik Karlson.
With Wolanin Ottawa gets a half it's D corp made up of sons on members of the 1996 Stanley Cup Colorado Avalanche.
If it were that easy, it wouldn't take this long. Also I doubt Vegas would be involved only to take on a shitty contract. They want Karlsson themselves, and rightfully so.
Vegas may be more aggressive in their pursuit for him now that Schmidt is out 20 games.
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J.R. and the Todd White on TSN1200 were really pushing Heiskanen as one of the only viable options.
Dallas needs to say no to this, a cost-controlled asset that will likely be a #1 D for decades to come is a little much for one year of an elite defender.
Still think he's walking without being traded. If the Senators are close to a playoff spot in February they won't trade him. If they're tanking 
they will get a reduced price or might have to keep him just to sell seats.
What a mess...
Dallas needs to say no to this, a cost-controlled asset that will likely be a #1 D for decades to come is a little much for one year of an elite defender.
Still think he's walking without being traded. If the Senators are close to a playoff spot
in February they won't trade him. If they're tanking they will get a reduced price or might have to keep him just to sell seats.What a mess...
I'm probably gonna get $h!t on for this but isnt it a bit risky for Karlsson to sign long term in Vegas?
Assuming he wants to go somewhere with the best window to win it all, Vegas seems like a bit of a gamble (no pun intended) for that. I know they run a great system and had a magical year, but they can just as easily fall back into the middle of the pack next year and for the foreseeable future. Nothing is a given with that team because they aren't built like typical annual contenders with multiple top flight vets.
I would think that if winning a cup is a top priority for where he wants to sign long term, that a team like Tampa is built more for that with a bunch of very good players around his age range. He would fit right in with their window.
I know Vegas can very well be contenders again next year, but theres something there that seems like they can take a step back more towards where we all thought they would be for a while. If that's the case, maybe EK doesnt want to sign long term with a team that's not quite ready.
Flame away...
Assuming he wants to go somewhere with the best window to win it all, Vegas seems like a bit of a gamble (no pun intended) for that. I know they run a great system and had a magical year, but they can just as easily fall back into the middle of the pack next year and for the foreseeable future. Nothing is a given with that team because they aren't built like typical annual contenders with multiple top flight vets.
I would think that if winning a cup is a top priority for where he wants to sign long term, that a team like Tampa is built more for that with a bunch of very good players around his age range. He would fit right in with their window.
I know Vegas can very well be contenders again next year, but theres something there that seems like they can take a step back more towards where we all thought they would be for a while. If that's the case, maybe EK doesnt want to sign long term with a team that's not quite ready.
Flame away...
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