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Good job!!
Yes, taking quotes out of context has always been a great way to debate a point.
Good job!!
So, i take it this thread has turned into a trade karlsson thread.
Um, not true. Not even close. Teh team is statistically better when he's NOT on the ice, both production and goals allowed.
(From Cujomi
Karlsson on the ice:
- He produces 2.58g per game
- He allows 3.05g per game
Karlsson not on the ice:
- The team produces 3.17g per game
- The team allows 2.58g per game
Lmfao, using common sense, you are telling me that the number 1 scoring defender and the guy who is 2nd in team points worsens our production? I want to know where these stats are from. Cujomoi show me the site please.
Loooooool, come on guys... just think stuff through first.
EDIT: I believe I've figured it out.
Karlsson's majority of ice time come during top line and 3rd line.
Statistically, those 2 lines have been our absolute worst in terms of defensive structure and worse than our 2nd and 4th lines in goal production.
Therefore it deflates Karlsson's actual worth. Notice lately how Karlsson has actually been playing with Turris and has gotten better looks?
If we compare Karlsson's ga/20 compared to the forwards he lines up with, he is actually a blessing and his numbers are better than you'd think if HE was a liability as well as the two lines he consistently plays the most with.
Context is everything.
Just...no.
What is with the Karlsson hate?
He is recovering from a devastating injury. Give him a few years to return to form.
Plus it doesn't help that the rest of his defensive teammates are...
Gryba- Having a huge sophomore slump.
Phillips- Lost his ability to play defense consistently.
Cowen- Experiencing a major learning curve-- i.e. how to play 2 on 1's and how to jump on the rush.
Wiercioch- Not a defensive stud.
Corvo- Average 5/6'er
Methot- Having an above average year.
What is with the Karlsson hate?
If Karlsson plays 30mins for team Sweden, then God bless them vs any opposition.
Yes this went out of bounds.
Karlsson's majority of ice time come during top line and 3rd line.
Statistically, those 2 lines have been our absolute worst in terms of defensive structure and worse than our 2nd and 4th lines in goal production.
Therefore it deflates Karlsson's actual worth. Notice lately how Karlsson has actually been playing with Turris and has gotten better looks?
If we compare Karlsson's ga/20 compared to the forwards he lines up with, he is actually a blessing and his numbers are better than you'd think if HE was a liability as well as the two lines he consistently plays the most with.
You should probably provide some evidence for your opinion instead of "just .... no" when replying to someone who actually made a valid point and also "showed his work" in terms of logical reasoning.
There's no question that this team would be 1000000x worse without Karlsson eating literally half the defensive minutes though.
His lack of defensive awareness and hustle on the backcheck frightens me. I rather have OEL or Kronwall play more minutes than Karlsson at the olympics. As hes playing now, I would just use him on the PP (if I have swedens olympic teams defense at my disposal).
Guy really have to step it up a notch IMO
some real statistical geniuses in here, wow. gf/60? LOL.
Considering the progression he's gone through over the last 3 weeks, wouldn't be surprised if you're happy with what you get in February.
Agreed, Karlsson's skating continues to improve & I don't see that digressing but I would like to see an improvement in his decision making. He still takes a few too many risks & needs to manage the puck better at least until the rest of the team can get on a roll. The team as a whole needs to play a safer game until they are all up to speed & then can start taking more chances knowing other guys will cover up for them. Right now guys are making mistakes & no one is there to bail them out or too many mistakes & you can't stop them all.
What we need to get back to was the start Karlsson had last season before his injury, where his defence was on a whole other level than it has been since then. AND, keep in mind, he has been improving ever since then.
I still hope that he'll not only find his old form, but also improve upon it.