Kadri, how is this even possible?

[Bluelines]

Well if the Gin wears off from the base, there may be more making up to do with others.

Fortunately, I doubt it.

There is NO hugging allowed in this Bloodsport!

 

[Pookie]

There is NO hugging allowed in this Bloodsport!

 

[4thline]

@Bluelines @Pookie you guys are older so we can let it go, but hugging in public is totally socially acceptable in the 21st century

 

[NoName]

Wait, is the debate here whether Kadri is worth that $4.5 million cap hit?

Um.. yeah he is. Two time 30 goal scoring centre who even with reduced ice-time this season looks likely to get 20/50, while playing as a 2-way checker with some grit. $4.5 million on a prime age above average 2C in todays NHL is a bargain. I get why other fans hate his guts sometime, he can be a bit dirty and while he is great at drawing penalties the diving in particular bugs the hell out of me as a hockey fan, it is pretty inarguably that his contract is well under market value, particularly given he is still just 28 and he signed that contract at age 26.

In fact after Morgan Rielly’s bonkers contract this is probably the best contact on the whole Leafs roster.

 

[The Apologist]

Wait, is the debate here whether Kadri is worth that $4.5 million cap hit?

Um.. yeah he is. Two time 30 goal scoring centre who even with reduced ice-time this season looks likely to get 20/50, while playing as a 2-way checker with some grit. $4.5 million on a prime age above average 2C in todays NHL is a bargain. I get why other fans hate his guts sometime, he can be a bit dirty and while he is great at drawing penalties the diving in particular bugs the hell out of me as a hockey fan, it is pretty inarguably that his contract is well under market value, particularly given he is still just 28 and he signed that contract at age 26.

In fact after Morgan Rielly’s bonkers contract this is probably the best contact on the whole Leafs roster.

Nope. The debate is whether Kadris plus minus is abnormally low considering the rest of the team.

Ignore the rest of the tangents.

 

[Pookie]

@Bluelines @Pookie you guys are older so we can let it go, but hugging in public is totally socially acceptable in the 21st century

Are you asking me for a hug?

 

[Pookie]

Wait, is the debate here whether Kadri is worth that $4.5 million cap hit?

Um.. yeah he is. Two time 30 goal scoring centre who even with reduced ice-time this season looks likely to get 20/50, while playing as a 2-way checker with some grit. $4.5 million on a prime age above average 2C in todays NHL is a bargain. I get why other fans hate his guts sometime, he can be a bit dirty and while he is great at drawing penalties the diving in particular bugs the hell out of me as a hockey fan, it is pretty inarguably that his contract is well under market value, particularly given he is still just 28 and he signed that contract at age 26.

In fact after Morgan Rielly’s bonkers contract this is probably the best contact on the whole Leafs roster.

Nope. No one has questioned that.

 

[NoName]

Nope. The debate is whether Kadris plus minus is abnormally low considering the rest of the team.

Ignore the rest of the tangents.

He plays the checking line so... meh.

It is +\- , in the vast majority of cases the stat doesn’t mean much. As long as his main stats, and particularly per 60min stats look ok (that reduced prime ice-time was bound to hurt his traditional stats to a degree) then I think he is doing fine. Also a good signpost for how he is doing is the ratio of penalties drawn vs taken.

Look, when Matthews was hurt and Kadri was as a result slotted back into 2C we saw his numbers increase commensurate with his ice-time and new role as a go-to scorer. He is still the same player he was the last couple seasons, he just has a reduced offensive role because of how deep the Leafs are down the middle.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Wait, is the debate here whether Kadri is worth that $4.5 million cap hit?

Um.. yeah he is. Two time 30 goal scoring centre who even with reduced ice-time this season looks likely to get 20/50, while playing as a 2-way checker with some grit. $4.5 million on a prime age above average 2C in todays NHL is a bargain. I get why other fans hate his guts sometime, he can be a bit dirty and while he is great at drawing penalties the diving in particular bugs the hell out of me as a hockey fan, it is pretty inarguably that his contract is well under market value, particularly given he is still just 28 and he signed that contract at age 26.

In fact after Morgan Rielly’s bonkers contract this is probably the best contact on the whole Leafs roster.

As usual, a thread about any player evolves into many different debates so feel free to offer your opinion on whatever.

 

[The Apologist]

He plays the checking line so... meh.

It is +\- , in the vast majority of cases the stat doesn’t mean much. As long as his main stats, and particularly per 60min stats look ok (that reduced prime ice-time was bound to hurt his traditional stats to a degree) then I think he is doing fine. Also a good signpost for how he is doing is the ratio of penalties drawn vs taken.

Look, when Matthews was hurt and Kadri was as a result slotted back into 2C we saw his numbers increase commensurate with his ice-time and new role as a go-to scorer. He is still the same player he was the last couple seasons, he just has a reduced offensive role because of how deep the Leafs are down the middle.

Well said.
I guess the main counterpoint would be that his linemates do not seem to be suffering the same fate but a good portion of his minus numbers seem to be from short handed goals against.
Just odd that he was such an outlier.

 

[NoName]

Well said.
I guess the main counterpoint would be that his linemates do not seem to be suffering the same fate but a good portion of his minus numbers seem to be from short handed goals against.
Just odd that he was such an outlier.

I guess. It is one problematic stat of his that isn’t seen as a particularly valuable metric anyway, so I wouldn’t worry to much about it, as long as his main stats continue to be ok.

If his possession numbers, and production rate numbers take a nosedive along with his +\- then I think we can start to worry more. Until then it gets filed under the “meh” category for me.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Kadri is buzzing these days

 

[The Apologist]

Kadri is buzzing these days

Looking awesome tonight!!

 

[Koolboss]

Tavars is good but so lucky to play with Marner

 

[MJ65]

Oh well he is sliding - age is catching up

 

[Bluelines]

So this is what it looks like with 22 G 31A for 53 PTS

Polynomial Trend Line still shows a gradual descent has begun. Consistent with the age related performance data collected and studied.

There is an indication of slowing down. As age related performance data would show.

Here's where you get yourself all in bunches... it doesn't mean he's a crappy player. Even with declining production, he fits nicely into a 2C or 3C role on a variety of teams. He's still very, very capable on the PP. And though he doesn't hit as often any more... can still bring emotion into a game.

Just not as productive as he once was.

6 points in 3 games, he must have found the fountain of youth.

 

[stickty111]

One trick pony, bad 3rd line C is playing well.

 

[PromisedLand]

how is that trend-line looking now?

polynomial trend-line WHAT A f***ING JOKE!!!

Just FYI if anyone is wondering what polynomial trend-line is and when it should be used

Choosing the best trendline for your data

 

[PhiladelphiaKessel]

Kadri looks to finally got it going. Next is Willy. Then we will be unstoppable

 

[MJ65]

Just by the way speaking of +/- Kapanen @ +20 is best among all forwards on our roster - mind you I love this kid but is he the best forward on our roster?

 

[The Apologist]

Just by the way speaking of +/- Kapanen @ +20 is best among all forwards on our roster - mind you I love this kid but is he the best forward on our roster?

He may quite possibly be the best 200ft one we have.....

 

[saffronleaf]

Naz is a beast. Don't doubt him.

 

[Gary Nylund]

What's that I see ... oh it's the "Kadri is in a decline" narrative flying out the window. Oh well, ridiculous as it was, it was at least entertaining for a little bit. Bon voyage.

No worries, it's inevitable that Kadri will have a pointless game or three down the road, then I'm sure the trend line junkie will be doing his dance again.

Kadri!

 

[RLF]

Well said.
I guess the main counterpoint would be that his linemates do not seem to be suffering the same fate but a good portion of his minus numbers seem to be from short handed goals against.
Just odd that he was such an outlier.

And so do the other 4 guys on the same unit. For Naz, it isn't that odd. He has been typically one of the lower +/- guys on the team the past few seasons...then again, so was Rielly until this season. He's been fine this year, but usage has been different. Rotating line mates. If Leafs continue to play like last couple of games and lines get more sorted, I am fairly confident he will be on the + side by end of season.

 

[Pookie]

6 points in 3 games, he must have found the fountain of youth.

Interestingly, that chart assumes a 53 point finish.

Buy all the anti-aging products you like. The economy thanks you.