Confirmed with Link: Justin Schultz (50% retained) to Penguins for 3rd round pick

[Chuck Norris Trophy]

You remember those school and youth hockey games, where everyone stood still and the two of the best of the class got to choose, where the snipers and playmakers got picked first, where someone was last? Schultz was one of them. Too clumsy for forward, too attack focused on defense. And he got picked up last and the D got stuck.

 

[Asuna]

jesus. why the **** is kunitz on the top pp. with hornqvist nonetheless. they play the same ****ing position.

 

[Offhisgame*]

Anyone else thinks schultz looks really weak on d? I know hrs been great offensively as you would hope. But i can see why hed get eaten alive in the western conference. I dont want him touching the ice in the playoffs against a philly or boston. They would abuse him

 

[Empoleon8771]

Anyone else thinks schultz looks really weak on d? I know hrs been great offensively as you would hope. But i can see why hed get eaten alive in the western conference. I dont want him touching the ice in the playoffs against a philly or boston. They would abuse him

Shocking news, Schultz is bad defensively. More shocking news, Phil Kessel is soft.

Schultz is what he is, he's an offensively gifted defenseman who has struggles in his own end. Everyone knew that when they acquired him. Schultz is a net positive when he's on the ice, even with his defensive struggles. We're also not going to play Philly in the playoffs and we probably won't play Boston either.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I don't know, I've noticed Cole being worse. I don't think Schultz has been bad or even shaky defensively. He's looked fairly decent. The only issue I see is that he holds the puck too long on the powerplay, he needs to dish it off quicker. And yeah, why would you put Kunitz AND Hornqvist on the powerplay? Kunitz is just flat out useless, but Horny is good in front of the net, if you want to use 2 defensemen, put out a trio of Sid, Kessel and Horny.

 

[Nakawick]

Schultz isn't afraid to go deep in the Ozone, but he is always at risk to get trapped and doesn't have the wheels of Tanger or Daley to get back in position.

 

[HarrySPlinkett]

Shocking news, Schultz is bad defensively. More shocking news, Phil Kessel is soft.

Schultz is what he is, he's an offensively gifted defenseman who has struggles in his own end. Everyone knew that when they acquired him. Schultz is a net positive when he's on the ice, even with his defensive struggles. We're also not going to play Philly in the playoffs and we probably won't play Boston either.

As a fan of his former rivals, I can assure you he is not.

 

[Empoleon8771]

As a fan of his former rivals, I can assure you he is not.

As a fan who has watched him on the Penguins, I fan assure you he is. He sucked with Edmonton, congrats. He hasn't sucked with the Pens.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

As a fan of his former rivals, I can assure you he is not.

We've been rebuilding a few players here that have struggled elsewhere. Schultz has been a net positive in his role for our team thus far. We'll see if he can pull off a Daley-esque resurgence long-term.

 

[Call me betty*]

As a fan of his former rivals, I can assure you he is not

As bad as we suck at developing, we're just as good at reviving careers of D-men that failed with previous teams. So hoping Schultz can hopefully revive it a bit too. 3rd rounder is a not a huge payment for someone of his skill set and he's looked very solid for us so far.

 

[Empoleon8771]

As bad as we suck at developing, we're just as good at reviving careers of D-men that failed with previous teams. So hoping Schultz can hopefully revive it a bit too. 3rd rounder is a not a huge payment for someone of his skill set and he's looked very solid for us so far.

What? The Pens aren't bad at developing D. Not even in the least. They're fantastic in both rejuvenating careers and developing players on D. When was the last Pens D prospect that legitimately busted, Samuelsson?

 

[Gurglesons]

What? The Pens aren't bad at developing D. Not even in the least. They're fantastic in both rejuvenating careers and developing players on D. When was the last Pens D prospect that legitimately busted, Samuelsson?

Even Samuelsson is still a borderline # 7 on the Yotes.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Even Samuelsson is still a borderline # 7 on the Yotes.

Eh I think of him as more than an AHL depth guy, which is a bust for a 2nd round pick.

The Pens have developed Strait, Bortuzzo, Letang, Maatta, Dumoulin, Pouliot, Harrington and Despres just off the top of my head. I also take back Samuelsson as the last Pens D prospect to bust and replace him with Morrow. So there's 2 Pens D prospects that were busts while on the Penguins in the last 7 years, that's about it.

 

[Shady Machine]

Eh I think of him as more than an AHL depth guy, which is a bust for a 2nd round pick.

The Pens have developed Strait, Bortuzzo, Letang, Maatta, Dumoulin, Pouliot, Harrington and Despres just off the top of my head. I also take back Samuelsson as the last Pens D prospect to bust and replace him with Morrow. So there's 2 Pens D prospects that were busts while on the Penguins in the last 7 years, that's about it.

Harrington hasn't proven anything at the NHL level yet so I wouldn't be pumping the Pens tires for developing him.

Does Ruopp count as a Pens D prospect? He's well on his way to busting, not that I'm mad or surprised about it.

Obviously longer than 7 years ago but let's never forget the great Carl Sneep.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Harrington hasn't proven anything at the NHL level yet so I wouldn't be pumping the Pens tires for developing him.

Does Ruopp count as a Pens D prospect? He's well on his way to busting, not that I'm mad or surprised about it.

Obviously longer than 7 years ago but let's never forget the great Carl Sneep.

I think you could count Ruopp, the Pens did trade for him only a year after he was drafted. Although at the same time, I'm not sure that's a development issue as much as it's a Ruopp isn't good issue, although the same could be applied to Samuelsson. I think Morrow is the only true bust of Pens recent D prospects, the rest were just not good.

 

[Shady Machine]

I think you could count Ruopp, the Pens did trade for him only a year after he was drafted. Although at the same time, I'm not sure that's a development issue as much as it's a Ruopp isn't good issue, although the same could be applied to Samuelsson. I think Morrow is the only true bust of Pens recent D prospects, the rest were just not good.

Dumo was acquired the same time as Ruopp so whatever you attribute to the Pens for Dumo should probably also be attributed to Ruopp. I agree there's a big difference in quality there though.

 

[Call me betty*]

my bad guys, i forgot to put in forwards. I was gonna say "as bad as we are at developing forwards". Sorry for the confusion.

 

[#1GuinFan]

I don't think that Morrow was a Pens bust when discussing development, he developed elsewhere for the most part. he was a trade chip before any significant development with us

 

[JTG]

We've been rebuilding a few players here that have struggled elsewhere. Schultz has been a net positive in his role for our team thus far. We'll see if he can pull off a Daley-esque resurgence long-term.

Daley has looked like a bonafide top 4 defenseman. Just don't imagine Daley on a defense that could have been here. That'll make you sad.

 

[JTG]

I don't think that Morrow was a Pens bust when discussing development, he developed elsewhere for the most part. he was a trade chip before any significant development with us

I've always been a huge Morrow fan. I hope he develops because he'll be fun to watch, even if it isn't with us.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think that Morrow was a Pens bust when discussing development, he developed elsewhere for the most part. he was a trade chip before any significant development with us

Morrow was crap for the Penguins before he got traded though and really hasn't become anything in the NHL. He's only playing because of how bad Boston's D is. He's a 7th D for Boston right now while having 8 career points. He's a bust at this point.

 

[#1GuinFan]

my bad guys, i forgot to put in forwards. I was gonna say "as bad as we are at developing forwards". Sorry for the confusion.

Forwards are irrelevant to the discussion tho. This thread is about a defensemen

 

[Farnham4top6]

Even Samuelsson is still a borderline # 7 on the Yotes.

I would take him over Lovejoy and Cole. But I think I was his biggest fan on this board.

 

[Pens1566]

Noah Welch

 

[clefty]

Morrow's offensive game just hasn't developed, which is really what made him a worthwhile top prospect in the first place. Without that, I think all anyone can hope for is him becoming a vanilla, middle of the road, two-way guy like Bret Hedican or Greg DeVries or something.