Player Discussion jussi jokinen thread: just jokinen

[pgj98m3]

Jokinnen???????????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAH.....GASP......HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Maybe not so funny if you are being sarcastic.

 

[Dab]

Jokinnen???????????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAH.....GASP......HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[pgj98m3]

My bad...but on this forum there are people who would say that seriously. Carry on.

 

[sting101]

Why are the benchings only limited to Goldobin? That part is funny to me, after I look at this roster.

i think it's fair to say that Hutton Goldobin and Virtanen are getting tough love not only because of their inconsistencies but because as Green said earlier he wants players he can win with.

His future depends on these guys not Eriksson Sedins Edler etc.

 

[pgj98m3]

i think it's fair to say that Hutton Goldobin and Virtanen are getting tough love not only because of their inconsistencies but because as Green said earlier he wants players he can win with.

His future depends on these guys not Eriksson Sedins Edler etc.

My complaints are less with Green then the crap he has been saddled with but......until he benches Eriksson, Gudbranson, even Edler and the twins for crappy play he shares some of the blame.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

 

[krutovsdonut]

Why are the benchings only limited to Goldobin? That part is funny to me, after I look at this roster.

and hutton. and dowd. and boucher.

 

[Zippgunn]

i think it's fair to say that Hutton Goldobin and Virtanen are getting tough love not only because of their inconsistencies but because as Green said earlier he wants players he can win with.

His future depends on these guys not Eriksson Sedins Edler etc.

Virtanen is getting "tough love"?? Do tell.

 

[pgj98m3]

Virtanen is getting "tough love"?? Do tell.

The Canuck's management and coaching have "tough love" and "mismanagement " mixed up.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

who was the guy who wanted to give up on the sedins and replace them with olli jokinen around 2009?

i feel like benning is dancing on his grave rn

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

who was the guy who wanted to give up on the sedins and replace them with olli jokinen around 2009?

i feel like benning is dancing on his grave rn

Who would have believed then we'd wind up with the best of both worlds.

 

[M2Beezy]

Who would have believed then we'd wind up with the best of both worlds.

9 years too late Meggy

 

[Eddy Punch Clock]

Who would have believed then we'd wind up with the best of both worlds.

Shut up Meg.

Wrong Joikinen.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Shut up Meg.

Wrong Joikinen.

Joiks!

 

[Intangibos]

i think it's fair to say that Hutton Goldobin and Virtanen are getting tough love not only because of their inconsistencies but because as Green said earlier he wants players he can win with.

His future depends on these guys not Eriksson Sedins Edler etc.

What about Leipsic? What about Pouliot? Does he think his buds from junior are already players he can win with or has he written them off?

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

What about Leipsic? What about Pouliot? Does he think his buds from junior are already players he can win with or has he written them off?

That's not fair Intangibos. Those guys have been through the crucible in Portland.

That trust level has already been established

 

[sting101]

What about Leipsic? What about Pouliot? Does he think his buds from junior are already players he can win with or has he written them off?

Leipsic has 6pts in 5 games??

Pouliot had his icetime drastically reduced and was scratched during his slumber?

and @Zippgunn what are you questioning with Virtanen? it's pretty self explanitory if you've followed the season

 

[Intangibos]

Leipsic has 6pts in 5 games??

Leipsic has been a defensive liability, but I actually don't mind him getting the minutes he's getting. What I mind is the double standard that Goldobin has once had as much ice time as Leipsic has had in his lowest TOI game. Leipsic got more ice time without proving anything than Goldobin has, and I think it's not a huge mystery why. I just want everyone to be held to the same standard. Boeser being scratched for his first two games isn't a huge deal, but again Leipsic comes right in and gets his top 6 high TOI spot.

Pouliot had his icetime drastically reduced and was scratched during his slumber?

lol

 

[F A N]

What about Leipsic? What about Pouliot? Does he think his buds from junior are already players he can win with or has he written them off?

Green probably does think he can win with them. If they helped you win in juniors, it takes a bit to convince you that they can't help you win at the NHL level when you believe in them.

 

[Bad Goalie]

Gentlemen. Look at past history since Benning came on board. Your argument with each other has a simpler answer. Any new piece acquired by Benning automatically gets a regular shift and often PP time no matter what for a lot of games. Once the guy finally proves he just sucks his ice goes way down and he gets some scratches. Eventually he is moved on or sent to the AHL. Some sooner than others but there is a definite pattern.

I see Motte already got scratched for the first time after impressing some with speed, but the rest have recognized he hasn't got much else. Chicago and Columbus already figured that out.

 

[Intangibos]

Green probably does think he can win with them. If they helped you win in juniors, it takes a bit to convince you that they can't help you win at the NHL level when you believe in them.

I understand that. Coaches have a "show me" attitude towards prospects, which is mostly fine, but if they had the player in junior or in the AHL they act like they've already shown them. The NHL is a pretty major step up though and it's concerning if coaches somehow don't realize that. Every single player on our team had good years at levels below the NHL and showed whoever their coach was.

 

[F A N]

I understand that. Coaches have a "show me" attitude towards prospects, which is mostly fine, but if they had the player in junior or in the AHL they act like they've already shown them. The NHL is a pretty major step up though and it's concerning if coaches somehow don't realize that. Every single player on our team had good years at levels below the NHL and showed whoever their coach was.

I agree. And most GM's downfall is that they fall in love with the players they drafted or acquired and coaches tend to play players they trust regardless of recent performance.

I liken CHL coaches to amateur scouts. I think they can have long memories where their perception of the player is based on their own projection of the player or past history. Take Baertschi and Leipsic. If you are Green, you saw first hand what those two did at the junior level. And what they did afterwards hasn't exactly changed your mind in terms of their potential.

With that said, it doesn't mean coaches give long leashes. At the end of the day, their job is on the line and they need to put out the team they feel gives the team the best chance to win.

 

[pgj98m3]

I agree. And most GM's downfall is that they fall in love with the players they drafted or acquired and coaches tend to play players they trust regardless of recent performance.

I liken CHL coaches to amateur scouts. I think they can have long memories where their perception of the player is based on their own projection of the player or past history. Take Baertschi and Leipsic. If you are Green, you saw first hand what those two did at the junior level. And what they did afterwards hasn't exactly changed your mind in terms of their potential.

With that said, it doesn't mean coaches give long leashes. At the end of the day, their job is on the line and they need to put out the team they feel gives the team the best chance to win.

Unless management explains that their job is to develop talent and no one expects wins just progress.

 

[Intangibos]

I agree. And most GM's downfall is that they fall in love with the players they drafted or acquired and coaches tend to play players they trust regardless of recent performance.

I liken CHL coaches to amateur scouts. I think they can have long memories where their perception of the player is based on their own projection of the player or past history. Take Baertschi and Leipsic. If you are Green, you saw first hand what those two did at the junior level. And what they did afterwards hasn't exactly changed your mind in terms of their potential.

With that said, it doesn't mean coaches give long leashes. At the end of the day, their job is on the line and they need to put out the team they feel gives the team the best chance to win.

Even good coaches fall victim to this as well. What the hell does AV see in Tanner Glass?

I actually think the NHL is full of people doing jobs they shouldn't do, and coaches seem to take on a scouting role and I don't think they should. I think coaches can be too close to the team and I think pro scouts and player development personnel should be making a lot of decisions regarding the roster, while coaches just execute those decisions and manage the bench/locker room.

When Willie sees something in Linden Vey and feeds him prime ice time including PP time for half a season, I'm not sure he should really be making any roster decisions whatsoever.

 

[Zippgunn]

Leipsic has 6pts in 5 games??

Pouliot had his icetime drastically reduced and was scratched during his slumber?

and @Zippgunn what are you questioning with Virtanen? it's pretty self explanitory if you've followed the season

I'm saying that Virtanen has been coddled almost to death by this team and is STILL not turning into much of anything three years in. Yet he seems bench-proof...