GDT: July 1st - Free Agent Frenzy - Tavares to Toronto 7 years

[missingchicklet]

Local media (an hour outside of TO) talking about Tavares and how the Leafs are guaranteed a Cup with him on the team. Unbelievable...I might have to move...

Has to be unbearable. They certainly upgraded with Tavares, but lost a couple pretty good players as well, and still have iffy D. They also better hope their goalie plays well. This past season they were put out in the first round. Maybe with Tavares they can make it to the second round this season. He's just one player, not even elite of the elite. As annoying it has been to endure the nonstop gloating of their fans over the JT stuff, it will be equally glorious to see the reaction when they still remain Cupless this coming season.

 

[Grimey]

Has to be unbearable. They certainly upgraded with Tavares, but lost a couple pretty good players as well, and still have iffy D. They also better hope their goalie plays well. This past season they were put out in the first round. Maybe with Tavares they can make it to the second round this season. He's just one player, not even elite of the elite. As annoying it has been to endure the nonstop gloating of their fans over the JT stuff, it will be equally glorious to see the reaction when they still remain Cupless this coming season.

Andersen stood on his head and stole a lot of games last season. Can he repeat that performance? Maybe. But if they go into next season with their current D, he'll need to stand on his head again.

 

[Lobster57]

84 points and 37 goals from one guy >>> 87 points 47 from two guys

It's not quite fair, because JVR and Bozak were free agents and signed for more than they were making in T.O., but their salaries last year were a combined $8.7M, so the 2 of them out-produced Tavares and were cheaper than JT will be. the 10 goals and 3 points would need to be replaced by a guy paying T.O. for the honour of playing for them

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

Local media (an hour outside of TO) talking about Tavares and how the Leafs are guaranteed a Cup with him on the team. Unbelievable...I might have to move...

Really love to know who you were listening to because I haven't heard any media persons say that. Guaranteed cup? You'd have to be an idiot to guarantee a cup in the freaking NHL.

 

[ODAAT]

Really love to know who you were listening to because I haven't heard any media persons say that. Guaranteed cup? You'd have to be an idiot to guarantee a cup in the freaking NHL.

not sure who that poster listens to but I often listen to fan590 from TO, while they are excited to have Tavares and who can blame them, the morning team guys were just speaking to the depth of both the Bruins and the the Bolts D as major causes for caution when trying to anoint the Leafs anything. They were, for the TO media, quite realistic recognizing the same issues we see here for the Leafs.

 

[DKH]

Didn’t factor in human nature to Leafs fans.

The ‘cap problems are fake’ crowd vs the legion of worriers/pessimists are going at it.

We’ve already seen exhibit A when close FOJT Calvin De Hann agent could just not make a deal with Leafs work and he wasn’t taking a 1 year unless he had to.

Within 1000 days there will be a mega Leafs Board thread ‘Kyle Dubas is in over his head’

 

[ODAAT]

Didn’t factor in human nature to Leafs fans.

The ‘cap problems are fake’ crowd vs the legion of worriers/pessimists are going at it.

We’ve already seen exhibit A when close FOJT Calvin De Hann agent could just not make a deal with Leafs work and he wasn’t taking a 1 year unless he had to.

Within 1000 days there will be a mega Leafs Board thread ‘Kyle Dubas is in over his head’

too hot and too lazy to check friend but what kind of space do the B`s have currently if you don`t mind?

 

[EverettMike]

too hot and too lazy to check friend but what kind of space do the B`s have currently if you don`t mind?

Boston Bruins - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

$2,959,333 available for this year.

And out of curiosity, here is the Leafs.

Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[ODAAT]

Boston Bruins - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

$2,959,333 available for this year.

And out of curiosity, here is the Leafs.

Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thanks Mike, Leafs with a load of space, obviously things will change when they address the kids contracts, I think next season but that`s a ton of space

Erik Karlsson watch begins

 

[EverettMike]

Thanks Mike, Leafs with a load of space, obviously things will change when they address the kids contracts, I think next season but that`s a ton of space

Yeah, I think their "cap problems" are greatly exaggerated. Especially because "they have too many good players to sign" isn't actually a problem in a league where trades are still allowed.

 

[LouJersey]

Thanks Mike, Leafs with a load of space, obviously things will change when they address the kids contracts, I think next season but that`s a ton of space

Erik Karlsson watch begins

Toronto actually has more because the fraud Horton contract.

 

[ODAAT]

Toronto actually has more because the fraud Horton contract.

ahhhh, forgot about that one

 

[LouJersey]

Yeah, I think their "cap problems" are greatly exaggerated. Especially because "they have too many good players to sign" isn't actually a problem in a league where trades are still allowed.

I see this as how it will shake out, Marner and Nylander may be on the low side

Tavares 11
Matthews 11
Marner 7
Nylander 6
Marleau 6.3
Kadri 4.5
Kessel 1.2

Rielly 5
Zaitsev 4.5

Andersen 5

61.5 mil. Cap will be what, 82 next year say?

20.5 to fill

6-7 forward spots
4-5 defensemen
back up goalie.

best case is 11 contracts, totaling with 20.5 million to spend. That's not even counting Hyman or Brown (figuring they get dealt)

Maybe they trade Marleau?

 

[EverettMike]

I see these as how it will shake out, Marner and Nylander may be on the low side

Tavares 11
Matthews 11
Marner 7
Nylander 6
Marleau 6.3
Kadri 4.5
Kessel 1.2

Rielly 5
Zaitsev 4.5

Andersen 5

61.5 mil. Cap will be what, 82 next year say?

20.5 to fill

6-7 forward spots
4-5 defensemen
back up goalie.

best case is 11 contracts, totaling with 20.5 million to spend.

Maybe they trade Marleau?

They've done a lot right the last few years, I am confident they have a plan.

 

[DKH]

I guess history will give us our answers if the Leafs are up against it

There are always to sides to every issue and each side can present reasons why their case is strong

My view is the Leafs will be living pay check to pay check and will be hamstrung making moves.

They have cap money this year which is significant come February but it likely vanishes next when Matthews & Marner take close to 20% of it between them if they perform as they are capable of

Dubas Ace in the hole is cap money this season which if he holds on to can go get expiring contracts of hopefully Toronto’s sake quality defenseman on teams that are out of it

He needs
The Cap space - he has
Expiring contract UFA to be
Quality player
Team willing to move

I’m sure there will be someone and the Leafs will have to pay probably in draft picks

 

[LouJersey]

They've done a lot right the last few years, I am confident they have a plan.

I agree. I like Dubas. No matter how you slice it though the team is at it's deepest this year. Changes will be made, there is no choice. I love their defensive prospects, but they are thin up front there. It's also not difficult to build a good team when you are "gifted" 5 top 7 picks, but they are gonna have to pay them. Should be fascinating to watch that's for sure. They are going to be good for a very, very long time.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

I see this as how it will shake out, Marner and Nylander may be on the low side

Tavares 11
Matthews 11
Marner 7
Nylander 6
Marleau 6.3
Kadri 4.5
Kessel 1.2

Rielly 5
Zaitsev 4.5

Andersen 5

61.5 mil. Cap will be what, 82 next year say?

20.5 to fill

6-7 forward spots
4-5 defensemen
back up goalie.

best case is 11 contracts, totaling with 20.5 million to spend. That's not even counting Hyman or Brown (figuring they get dealt)

Maybe they trade Marleau?

Thats a great looking fwd core. They could package Nylander and pick up a great young cost controlled Dman if they needed to.

 

[DKH]

Thanks Mike, Leafs with a load of space, obviously things will change when they address the kids contracts, I think next season but that`s a ton of space

Erik Karlsson watch begins

They have to add a few RFA to that
Nylander

Lou thinks 6/36 others on his thread think 7 +

Also a player to watch as Kapanen. He’s a RFA next year like Marner & Matthews and if he has a good year and he’s talented he could get 3+ which means he’s likely history

The Leafs $16 M - Nylander is for this year and they can really only use it on 1 year deals

It all may be fake though everything else is these days so it’s likely the Leafs can pick up Erik Karlsson after all and fit him in

 

[DKH]

Thats a great looking fwd core. They could package Nylander and pick up a great young cost controlled Dman if they needed to.

He said he’s not trading Nylander

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

He said he’s not trading Nylander

Pretty sure thats the kiss of death from a GM

 

[LouJersey]

I guess history will give us our answers if the Leafs are up against it

There are always to sides to every issue and each side can present reasons why their case is strong

My view is the Leafs will be living pay check to pay check and will be hamstrung making moves.

They have cap money this year which is significant come February but it likely vanishes next when Matthews & Marner take close to 20% of it between them if they perform as they are capable of

Dubas Ace in the hole is cap money this season which if he holds on to can go get expiring contracts of hopefully Toronto’s sake quality defenseman on teams that are out of it

He needs
The Cap space - he has
Expiring contract UFA to be
Quality player
Team willing to move

I’m sure there will be someone and the Leafs will have to pay probably in draft picks

If they have to move Marleau, Hyman and Brown, to me that's a huge problem. They will be nowhere near as good. Again, say Matthews 11, Marner 7, Nylander 6 for next season.

50 million for 8 forwards
10.6 millon for 3 defensemen
5 million for 1 goalie

65.6 million and you need 8 more players to fill out a 20 man lineup. Could fill with a bunch of ELC, but will that make them a better team or worse team?

 

[LouJersey]

Thats a great looking fwd core. They could package Nylander and pick up a great young cost controlled Dman if they needed to.

But that still has an effect. The defense would be better, offense would suffer.

 

[DKH]

Pretty sure thats the kiss of death from a GM

Well he would have publicly lied and everything he says going forward will be met with skepticism

I would think that’s not good but lying and fake are all the rage

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

But that still has an effect. The defense would be better, offense would suffer.

If your offense is a 10/10 but your defense is a 5, wouldn't it make sense to sacrifice some of the offense to even it out?

Well he would have publicly lied and everything he says going forward will be met with skepticism

I would think that’s not good but lying and fake are all the rage

If I want to maximize value for a potential star player in Nylander, the first thing I don't do is tell people he's available.

 

[DKH]

If they have to move Marleau, Hyman and Brown, to me that's a huge problem. They will be nowhere near as good. Again, say Matthews 11, Marner 7, Nylander 6 for next season.

50 million for 8 forwards
10.6 millon for 3 defensemen
5 million for 1 goalie

65.6 million and you need 8 more players to fill out a 20 man lineup. Could fill with a bunch of ELC, but will that make them a better team or worse team?

You think they are going to tell first ballot HOF Patrick Marleau who was probably playing for the Sharks before Kyle Dubas was born they are moving him for cap purposes while he’s still good - after promising whatever to leave SJ and help lead the young plucky Leafs

This is a borderline top 100 all time player still performing with a NMC

not sure if true but said if the Leafs pissed of Marleau and he retired they don’t pay him the cash but retain the cap hit

I would love that if true