Julien on Bergevin and Drouin

[LyricalLyricist]

CJ put galchenyuk on 4th line. Benched beaulieu. Had a love affair with King.

Every coach has their flaws so it's okay to an extent but I think he's got same mentality as MT. He's a better coach and more articulate but deep down they're from same school of thought.

 

[LaP]

CJ put galchenyuk on 4th line. Benched beaulieu. Had a love affair with King.

Every coach has their flaws so it's okay to an extent but I think he's got same mentality as MT. He's a better coach and more articulate but deep down they're from same school of thought.

Problem is not really to have favorite players. All coaches have favorite players and players they hate and throw in their doghouse.

MT problem is the players he falls in love with are simply not worth it. They actually end up in Europe after they leave MT. First time he was here he was overplaying an old Petrov. I liked Petrov but he ended up in Europe 2 years after leaving our team. He did the same with the Pens and Michel Ouellet. Ouellete ended up in Europe 3 years after leaving the Pens. Did it again here with DD. DD is not in Europe but he was playing on OIlers 4th line last year.

Not a fan of Julien but the first time he was here he decided to bet on Ryder and Ribeiro and he was right both of them had good and long career. With Boston most of the players he decided to bet on did the job and had long career. He's not perfect but his track record at icing to right players is imo far better than MT.

If you send AG in your doghouse and prefer to ice prime time Bergeron and Krejci you're not necessarily doing something wrong. If you send AG in your doghouse and tell the media you trust DD more then it's a completely different story.

 

[lamp9post]

Drouin really needs to be a homerun if this team is going to take a step forward. I think both Julien and Bergevin know this and they'll give him every opportunity to make the most of his talent. It would be nice if they gave the same chances to Galchenyuk but I'm not sure if that ship has sailed. Seeing how Julien handles' Galchenyuk over the course of a full season is something I look forward to.

 

[Deebs]

I'm a Clode fan. Yeah, he's a whiney beeotch at times with the refs, but there are lots of coaches that fall into this category.

I do like that he still enjoys the physical part of the game and puts an effort into having his teams play with an edge. I like that he holds his players accountable in regards to their defensive play and if they don't buy in, they sit. I do wish he'd open it up offensively, but that's just not his thing, so we need to live with it.

Excited for the season to get going and having the guys go through an entire training camp with Clode.

 

[Censored Toad]

I just really hope that Drouin and Chucky are TREATED EQUALLY.... by clod.

I mean if Chucky struggles and finds himself on the 4th line cause of errors mistakes etc and drouin makes the same crap plays yet gets the DD treatment..... well that would make my blood boil.

I'm happy to have Clod as our HC.... however the only reason for that is because it got rid of MT.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Thomas made Claude Julien look good? That might just be the most ridiculous thing ever written on these boards.
...
Could you please declare yourself a Leafs or a Senators fan when doing so?

So Thomas didn't make Clod look good? So he didn't carry their sorry, whiny, dirty team to a Cup?

You sure you're a Habs fan? I think the Bruins would like someone with your skewed perspective.

 

[Deebs]

I just really hope that Drouin and Chucky are TREATED EQUALLY.... by clod.

I mean if Chucky struggles and finds himself on the 4th line cause of errors mistakes etc and drouin makes the same crap plays yet gets the DD treatment..... well that would make my blood boil.

I'm happy to have Clod as our HC.... however the only reason for that is because it got rid of MT.

What other french speaking head coach would you have preferred?

 

[NobleSix]

This whole Drouin at center thing is going to be a mistake if that's what the plan is.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

I just really hope that Drouin and Chucky are TREATED EQUALLY.... by clod.

I mean if Chucky struggles and finds himself on the 4th line cause of errors mistakes etc and drouin makes the same crap plays yet gets the DD treatment..... well that would make my blood boil.

I'm happy to have Clod as our HC.... however the only reason for that is because it got rid of MT.

That's a fair and implicit fear we all have.

I don't think they'll be treated equally. Desharnais, who sucks, was given lifeline after lifeline - Drouin who is actually talented will be the golden boy. If he can carry us, then whatever that's fine, but if he's within the same realm as Chucky then I'd hope they both get breaks. But Clod showed his hand when he played Chucky with Ott and Martinsen and overplayed that but Dwight King.

 

[ColinO]

This whole Drouin at center thing is going to be a mistake if that's what the plan is.

Maybe, but if it worked that would be very good. If Drouin can play center, and he very well may, then that would so significantly help the Habs that I can't see them not giving it a try. AG - Drouin or Drouin - AG as 1C-2C would be a very very good lineup if it worked.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

You don't find it weird he names 2 centers when talking about Tampa? And then says we'll give him the opportunity to flourish... And throws in a "with our needs".

It is very interesting IMO. How do you mention Johnson over Kucherov? I think they are definitely looking at Drouin at Center.

Pacioretty-Drouin-Galchenyuk?

 

[Censored Toad]

What other french speaking head coach would you have preferred?

If I had my way I wouldn't have a french speaking coach, unless they are the best fit for the team. However that isn't possible on this team so I would have rather we canned MT earlier and got Guy B.

wishful thinking I know....

That's a fair and implicit fear we all have.

I don't think they'll be treated equally. Desharnais, who sucks, was given lifeline after lifeline - Drouin who is actually talented will be the golden boy. If he can carry us, then whatever that's fine, but if he's within the same realm as Chucky then I'd hope they both get breaks. But Clod showed his hand when he played Chucky with Ott and Martinsen and overplayed that but Dwight King.

I fear you are correct. All the evidence thus far points to that JD will be given more room to mess up then AG.

DD was given so bloody much from pappa MT, so much.

 

[Deebs]

If I had my way I wouldn't have a french speaking coach, unless they are the best fit for the team. However that isn't possible on this team so I would have rather we canned MT earlier and got Guy B.

wishful thinking I know....

Me as well.

The Bond villain...he's basically Julien lite, but even more boring.

 

[Scriptor]

I just really hope that Drouin and Chucky are TREATED EQUALLY.... by clod.

I mean if Chucky struggles and finds himself on the 4th line cause of errors mistakes etc and drouin makes the same crap plays yet gets the DD treatment..... well that would make my blood boil.

I'm happy to have Clod as our HC.... however the only reason for that is because it got rid of MT.

So do I. Preferential treatment is never good. However, if the head coach gives more rope to one player over another when they make the same mistakes, it can have something to do with attitude and effort put in to rectify the problem.

If player A and player B make the same mistakes and I'm open and up front with them, including the same positive reinforcement, pat on the back, whatever and the reaction from player A is yeah, yeah (which could as well be go fukc yourself, coach) and the reaction from player B is a more attentive listen, I'm already willing to give player B a bigger benefit of the doubt if he makes the same mistake again.

At some point, though, for both players, it becomes evident who is genuinely striving to improve and who isn't, regardless of how they took in the information initially.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Galchenyuk ended up the 4th line because his play brought him there. He was brutally bad upon return from injury....

 

[Habs Halifax]

This whole Drouin at center thing is going to be a mistake if that's what the plan is.

Mistake? How? We will destroy his confidence as a player if it don't work out? I've watched Drouin play very closely in his junior years. He was drafted as a 16 year old and decided to stay in Quebec to play midget AAA. About half way through that season, he ended up going to the Mooseheads and only got better with each game. He is a spark plug like Gallagher but with more speed and talent. I think he is ready and will welcome the challenge the city of Montreal with throw his way. We got a gem on our hands and I think he brings out the best of Galchenyuk too. These two are going to feed off of each other well IMO. Drouin is only touching his potential now. He will get better!

No harm in exploring options. The problem is with the media and some unhappy fans if the exploring of options don't turn out. People will jump at the first chance to say "see I told you it wouldn't work" So what.

 

[Gustave]

CJ put galchenyuk on 4th line. Benched beaulieu. Had a love affair with King.

Every coach has their flaws so it's okay to an extent but I think he's got same mentality as MT. He's a better coach and more articulate but deep down they're from same school of thought.

Let's be honest for a second; Galchenyuk was plain bad at year's end and even worse in the playoffs.

Beaulieu was uneven to be polite and frankly lost to be honest.

King was an absolute slug, no argument here.

So the way I see it, Julien was maybe slow to react to King's ineptness but overall he was playing the players that he could at least trust to not **** up and the ones that left it on the ice.

 

[MXD]

So Thomas didn't make Clod look good? So he didn't carry their sorry, whiny, dirty team to a Cup?

You sure you're a Habs fan? I think the Bruins would like someone with your skewed perspective.

Claude (and Chara) made Thomas looks good, or actually significantly better than he was (because Thomas was actually very good... but there's no denying Claude helped him look like a God, something he clearly wasn't)

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Problem is not really to have favorite players. All coaches have favorite players and players they hate and throw in their doghouse.

MT problem is the players he falls in love with are simply not worth it. They actually end up in Europe after they leave MT. First time he was here he was overplaying an old Petrov. I liked Petrov but he ended up in Europe 2 years after leaving our team. He did the same with the Pens and Michel Ouellet. Ouellete ended up in Europe 3 years after leaving the Pens. Did it again here with DD. DD is not in Europe but he was playing on OIlers 4th line last year.

Not a fan of Julien but the first time he was here he decided to bet on Ryder and Ribeiro and he was right both of them had good and long career. With Boston most of the players he decided to bet on did the job and had long career. He's not perfect but his track record at icing to right players is imo far better than MT.

If you send AG in your doghouse and prefer to ice prime time Bergeron and Krejci you're not necessarily doing something wrong. If you send AG in your doghouse and tell the media you trust DD more then it's a completely different story.

Like I said CJ and MT are from same school of thought. Pointing to MT's flaws is fair, but it doesn't erase CJs.

He was in love with King...oh he's also in Europe.

He put galchenyuk on 4th line wing so Danault and Shaw can be top 9 centers ahead of him.

CJ is a snake. Have you not seen his press conferences in Boston? He's a good coach with an old mentality. He cries like a ***** in front of the media but...one thing I'll say is he's more articulate and people think his words mean something.

As for his time in Boston. Kessel wasn't good enough, Seguin wasn't good enough, Hamilton wanted out. Of course people will say he had zero to do with. A Stanley cup winning coach doesn't have input in his personnel? Please.

Again, he's not a bad coach(He's pretty good overall) but his man management tactics are not my favorite.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

Let's be honest for a second; Galchenyuk was plain bad at year's end and even worse in the playoffs.

Beaulieu was uneven to be polite and frankly lost to be honest.

King was an absolute slug, no argument here.

So the way I see it, Julien was maybe slow to react to King's ineptness but overall he was playing the players that he could at least trust to not **** up and the ones that left it on the ice.

I'm willing to give CJ a chance but I'm not coming in blind is what I'm saying.

In Boston all the young talent was traded or wanted to leave. He had input in that, regardless what people think. 1 clip isn't the only conversation they had about Seguin and others.

And his whining about embellishment when Marchand was a joke was irritating.

 

[LaP]

Like I said CJ and MT are from same school of thought. Pointing to MT's flaws is fair, but it doesn't erase CJs.

He was in love with King...oh he's also in Europe.

I would not say 23 games is being in love. His GM paid to get a vet at the deadline. If the GM did not do his job properly it puts the coach in a bad situation. As a coach you don't want to scratch a vet like King with a good reputation after only 10 games. Your GM doesn't look good. The player doesn't look good.

At the end of the playoffs Julien should have scratched King though i agree. But before judging CJ I'll give one year with the team minimum.

 

[LyricalLyricist]

I would not say 23 games is being in love. His GM paid to get a vet at the deadline. If the GM did not do his job properly it puts the coach in a bad situation. As a coach you don't want to scratch a vet like King with a good reputation after only 10 games. Your GM doesn't look good. The player doesn't look good.

At the end of the playoffs Julien should have scratched King though i agree. But before judging CJ I'll give one year with the team minimum.

I meant in the playoffs. He just did not bring it at all.

I agree with giving him a chance. CJ has had success. I don't mean to say he's a terrible coach or anything but man management wise I expect the same.

Regarding AG I think if he sticks at C it's because it's like his 4th time trying, not because CJ will do anything special. Of course if he gets the most out of AG he deserves full credit. I just don't see him as his type. Most coaches...not only CJ...like to have the option to put their top center up against anyone. I'm not sure Galchenyuk is the guy he'll say "Okay...go up against Malkin and outplay him".

You can say that about Bergeron, Getzlaf, Kopitar, etc... Will he say that about Galchenyuk? Will he test him and allow him to grow? I'm unsure of that.

 

[LaP]

Galchenyuk ended up the 4th line because his play brought him there. He was brutally bad upon return from injury....

Not really. King was even worse and was playing on the 3rd line.

 

[sheed36]

Let's be honest for a second; Galchenyuk was plain bad at year's end and even worse in the playoffs.

Beaulieu was uneven to be polite and frankly lost to be honest.

King was an absolute slug, no argument here.

So the way I see it, Julien was maybe slow to react to King's ineptness but overall he was playing the players that he could at least trust to ot **** up and the ones that left it on the ice.

And yet he played Galchenyuk has a 4th line winger in the playoffs but in game 6 in the final minute or so down a goal then decides to throw Galchenyuk out to take a key offensive zone faceoff.

 

[aresknights]

And yet he played Galchenyuk has a 4th line winger in the playoffs but in game 6 in the final minute or so down a goal then decides to throw Galchenyuk out to take a key offensive zone faceoff.

Yup, it was time to gamble. He couldn't hurt the team at that point, only help, so why not?