Joshua Leivo

[ACC1224]

We aren’t creating much offensively. Hyman and Tavares have about zero chemistry. Try something different.

Leafs are 2nd in the league in Goals For.

 

[Battle Lin]

decent...got some decent size, can skate decently now, got a decent shot, decent hands and stick handling, decent passing, very decent skills...leivo is a decent player

 

[zeke]

Leivo, Gauthier, Brown, Johnsson, Ennis and Lindholm are our bottom 6 I guess. You think they have been great? You must have real low standards. From a production standpoint they are a complete mess. They have a total of 4 goals between them, Brown's was an empty netter.

eh.

the top 6 has been a bit fortunate offensively this year, the bottom 6 a bit unfortunate.

 

[Slyfox]

Our bottom six is the best it's been in years, maybe ever. It's been a strength, it's our breajouts that is the huge underlying issue that has been a problem for 2+ seasons.

 

[GoonieFace]

Our bottom six is the best it's been in years, maybe ever. It's been a strength, it's our breajouts that is the huge underlying issue that has been a problem for 2+ seasons.

From a personnel standpoint I like our bottom 6, but at some point they have to chip in offensively, or else it will become a problem.

 

[Canada4Gold]

After reading through this thread the best I can conclude is people don't realize what NHL bottom 6's look like and expect every winger on their team to get at least 45 points.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Leafs are 2nd in the league in Goals For.

More relevant stat IMO is that we're tied for 6th in goals per game.

decent...got some decent size, can skate decently now, got a decent shot, decent hands and stick handling, decent passing, very decent skills...leivo is a decent player

Agreed.

After reading through this thread the best I can conclude is people don't realize what NHL bottom 6's look like and expect every winger on their team to get at least 45 points.

Well said!

 

[Canada4Gold]

Well said!

"Our top 3 centers are great. Give them all 18 minutes a night, the 4th line only gets 6 minutes but who cares?"

"He's only got 3 points in 12 games, so useless, can't wait until we get a real 4th liner up in Marchment or Moore"

I'd like a little more out of Brown, a high end 3rd line should see more production there, but the 4th line has been great, and the other 3rd line winger has been a revolving door.

 

[ACC1224]

After reading through this thread the best I can conclude is people don't realize what NHL bottom 6's look like and expect every winger on their team to get at least 45 points.

Some of them look a lot like borderline NHL/AHL players, aka Leivo.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I am not a Leivo fan but until Marleau, Brown, Ennis and Johnsson start to outplay him I would leave him in lineup. If Leivo is a borderline player then we have 4 more in our forward group who are worse from both an eye test and stats test.

Goat and Lindholm both of whom i am not a fan of are playing very good for team to start year.

Every year is a new year and you have to forget about the past and look at things from a fresh perspective based on current performance.

Leivo needs a playmaker to set him up for the one timer. Then he needs to continue to work the boards to get pucks.

 

[hector morrison]

Well he would need be better at forechecking, puck recovery, and penalty killing. Then we might be able to measure up. Hyman did get 40 points last season while be the line mucker and not the playmaker/shooter.

my granny could get 40 playing with Auston and Willy

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Some of them look a lot like borderline NHL/AHL players, aka Leivo.

Leivo looks nothing like an AHL player. he's been one of our better forwards

 

[Battle Lin]

leivo shows more hockey skills than hyman and lindholm and brown in the offensive zone.....but i just love hyman, lindholm, and browns motor and hustle, and skating out there, and seems like the coaches prefers it too...they dont earn top 3 line time with their skills i dont think

if leivo ever wants to play consistent top 3 lines, imo i think he needs to be that nylander, marner, jvr like offensive winger...the winger that can help your center drive some offense all year...we gave him the role on 3rd line with kadri, to see if he can help drive the 3rd lines offense with kadri, and i dont think that line scored in like 5 games

leivo is solid enough hockey player, but hasn't shown and really isn't good enough offensively to play past the 4th or 3rd line

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Is anybody still actually aruging that leivo is bad?
If you don't like advanced stats look at regular stats. He has 3 points thats as many as guathier, Johnson and Ennis combined. Hes also one of the few forwards throwing the body has 13 hits in 12 games adding 9 takeaways as well. He's such an active player points aside.

 

[ottomaddox]

my granny could get 40 playing with Auston and Willy

Most people can't stand upright on skates at a certain age. Your statement is a gross exaggeration.

Hyman is an NHLer by most standards.

 

[ottomaddox]

Is anybody still actually aruging that leivo is bad?
If you don't like advanced stats look at regular stats. He has 3 points thats as many as guathier, Johnson and Ennis combined. Hes also one of the few forwards throwing the body has 13 hits in 12 games adding 9 takeaways as well. He's such an active player points aside.

I didn't have a lot of faith in him over the years, but this year he has taken advantage of his opportunities. I always hope any player can help the team.

 

[Al14]

my granny could get 40 playing with Auston and Willy

Or, break a hip trying to convert that 1st pass from one of them!

 

[ACC1224]

Is anybody still actually aruging that leivo is bad?
If you don't like advanced stats look at regular stats. He has 3 points thats as many as guathier, Johnson and Ennis combined. Hes also one of the few forwards throwing the body has 13 hits in 12 games adding 9 takeaways as well. He's such an active player points aside.

I haven't seen anyone say that but I don't read every post.

 

[Nithoniniel]

I counted direct involvement in eight scoring chances tonight, and the best defensive play from a forward.

I'd love it if our top nine worked because this fourth line is legitimately good, but with a struggling top nine we really need to give Leivo a bigger role.

 

[hector morrison]

Most people can't stand upright on skates at a certain age. Your statement is a gross exaggeration.

Hyman is an NHLer by most standards.

Obviously I kid! Seriously though ,Hyman doesn't cut the top^ on any other team in the league and likely not even top nine ...he has no skill,no talent!

 

[thewave]

I counted direct involvement in eight scoring chances tonight, and the best defensive play from a forward.

I'd love it if our top nine worked because this fourth line is legitimately good, but with a struggling top nine we really need to give Leivo a bigger role.

Best game as a Leaf, no rewards. Sad reality, not sure the reason. I didn't count anything but he was excellent.

 

[luvdahattymatty]

Gramps here. No time to read thread but anybody downing Leivo on here needs to give their head a shake. He is hustling. Creating offence. Getting in on the forecheck. coming back hard on defence. He needs to play more. He and Marner looked to me like our top 2 forwards tonight. Would have shorted the bench and gone Tavares Marner and Leivo down the stretch every 2nd shift.

 

[meefer]

I counted direct involvement in eight scoring chances tonight, and the best defensive play from a forward.

I'd love it if our top nine worked because this fourth line is legitimately good, but with a struggling top nine we really need to give Leivo a bigger role.

Agreed, I'd consider pushing him up beside Tavares and Kapanen and putting Marner with Kadri and Marleau.

Best game as a Leaf, no rewards. Sad reality, not sure the reason. I didn't count anything but he was excellent.

+1

 

[TheProspector]

Another excellent game from Leivo tonight. Goat and Leivo were both great.

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

I like his play so far this season but if he doesn't start finishing more plays I can't see how he'll move up the lineup.