My guess is that he stays in college a couple more years, never signs here and ends up a UFA.
I'd agree with that ranking except flip Tierney and Norris. Tierney is basically Norris' ceiling so I'll take the 24 year old who's hit their potential over the one who hasn't.I'd rank the pieces in that order :
1) 1st in 2020 (if EK don't extend with them, which I have a feeling he won't, that pick could be in the lotto as I think this team is about to decline)
2) Rudolf Balcers
3) Josh Norris
4) Chris Tierney
5) 2nd in 2019 (highest one from SJ or Florida)
6) Conditional 2nd (if EK extends), possible additional 1st (if they reach the SCF in 2019), which could end up lotto too
7) Dylan Demelo (maybe ~6th round pick value)
8) Conditional 1st (if they trade EK back to the East) : this one have very little value because it won't happen. Sharks will make sure to not trade him to an Eastern team if they have to trade him. They can't afford to lose another 1st on top of a 1st that could be lotto, 2 of their best prospects, a 2nd and Tierney just for a rental that wouldn't go in the playoffs with them.
That's a pretty big haul for a rental. What is sad is we had to trade EK as a rental, instead of keeping him as a core piece or at the very least trade him when you have a team he'd agree to sign an extension with. Also hate the fact that there was no D-man prospect coming back. Need that a lot more of that than more good/decent forward prospects, which we already have a ton of IMO.
Sharks went all in but if EK walks, it could turn out pretty bad for them.
Finally someone agrees with me. Dorion did good here. Not great but decent. Enough of the pitchforks. Karlsson will walk at seasons end. Cup or bust for sharks period.I'd rank the pieces in that order :
1) 1st in 2020 (if EK don't extend with them, which I have a feeling he won't, that pick could be in the lotto as I think this team is about to decline)
2) Rudolf Balcers
3) Josh Norris
4) Chris Tierney
5) 2nd in 2019 (highest one from SJ or Florida)
6) Conditional 2nd (if EK extends), possible additional 1st (if they reach the SCF in 2019), which could end up lotto too
7) Dylan Demelo (maybe ~6th round pick value)
8) Conditional 1st (if they trade EK back to the East) : this one have very little value because it won't happen. Sharks will make sure to not trade him to an Eastern team if they have to trade him. They can't afford to lose another 1st on top of a 1st that could be lotto, 2 of their best prospects, a 2nd and Tierney just for a rental that wouldn't go in the playoffs with them.
That's a pretty big haul for a rental. What is sad is we had to trade EK as a rental, instead of keeping him as a core piece or at the very least trade him when you have a team he'd agree to sign an extension with. Also hate the fact that there was no D-man prospect coming back. Need that a lot more of that than more good/decent forward prospects, which we already have a ton of IMO.
Sharks went all in but if EK walks, it could turn out pretty bad for them.
My guess is that he stays in college a couple more years, never signs here and ends up a UFA.
I'd agree with that ranking except flip Tierney and Norris. Tierney is basically Norris' ceiling so I'll take the 24 year old who's hit their potential over the one who hasn't.
Yep and the gravy is how norris and balcers develop and the goodies the first round and second round pick bring. Good start to the rebuild.Agreed, although I think Tierney has some untapped scoring upside. Tierney was 10th amongst SJ forwards in PPTOI and 4th amongst fwds in ES + SH points. He also started over 20% in the defensive zone. I think he will be given every opportunity to play PP for us and as he gets more comfortable, his playmaking ability will shine through. In that scenario, I think he could be a consistent 45-55 point guy.
Well to be fair, Bowers had a better D+1 season than Norris.
Would you be able to find any examples of this? I couldn't find anything. Bowers is generally ranked ahead of Norris in what I'm finding.Statistically he did though I'm not sure you'll find many in the scouting community who hold Bowers ahead of Norris.
Would you be able to find any examples of this? I couldn't find anything. Bowers is generally ranked ahead of Norris in what I'm finding.
Would you be able to find any examples of this? I couldn't find anything. Bowers is generally ranked ahead of Norris in what I'm finding.
I'm gonna put my trust in sens scouts and dorion that this kid can play. He was picked in the mid first round even the sharks saw talent . That's all you can ask when your picking prospects.
Would you be able to find any examples of this? I couldn't find anything. Bowers is generally ranked ahead of Norris in what I'm finding.
I'd agree with that ranking except flip Tierney and Norris. Tierney is basically Norris' ceiling so I'll take the 24 year old who's hit their potential over the one who hasn't.
Finally someone agrees with me. Dorion did good here. Not great but decent. Enough of the pitchforks. Karlsson will walk at seasons end. Cup or bust for sharks period.
2017 NHL draft do-over: Panel of scouts, execs and GMs redo the first round
This was done at the end of March from a panel of 11 scouts/execs/GMs. Both guys dropped but Norris remained ahead of Bowers.
You know it’s brutal when there is only 16 replies about the main piece in our franchise defencemans trade.
The main piece is probably the knowledge that Melnyk will lose huge sums of money, due to fans having had enough of him now.
If losing Karlsson means that Melnyk is also gone in the near future, it might actually be a loss worth while. Especially since there was no promises of Karlsson re-signing with Ottawa anyway.
My guess is that he stays in college a couple more years, never signs here and ends up a UFA.
The main piece is probably the knowledge that Melnyk will lose huge sums of money, due to fans having had enough of him now.
If losing Karlsson means that Melnyk is also gone in the near future, it might actually be a loss worth while. Especially since there was no promises of Karlsson re-signing with Ottawa anyway.
I don't think of Norris as even in the top 3 of main pieces. Recent 1st rounders have value but if we're predicting future NHL success I would take the three players above him as being better chances of being players. This is nothing against Norris but just that there is a lot of uncertainty in terms of translating from NCAA to the NHL when you have middling stats. Here's hoping for a good year from him this year.
Otherwise, people are too high on draft picks in general and this seems to be a pervasive issue in the NHL management world as well. You often see actual NHL players traded for 4ths or 5ths which is quite interesting because those players have about a 1/20 chance of being better than the players they're actually getting traded for in many cases. If all goes well we would be happy if Norris turned out to be a player like Tierney or maybe a slightly better version. That's a lot of potential risk compared to the actual thing. Balcers has actually scored in the AHL - that puts him above the NCAA prospect. Demelo is an actual NHL player - Norris still has a chance he busts.
Main piece:
(1) Tierney (actual 3rd line C)
(2) Balcers (AHL scorer; potentially top 9 scoring winger)
(3) Demelo (actual 6th D)
(4) Norris (potentially 3rd line C prospect) / Draft picks (depending on position but anything after 20 is unlikely to be a better asset than Tierney/Balcers based on probability at least. There is an argument to be made that draft picks have differences in inherent value on good drafting teams versus bad drafting teams.)
The US world junior team, like the Canadian junior team, have some biases and routes that make is easier to make that plays very, very largely in Norris' favour.I've read pretty much everything there is to read about Norris in the past week
on the middling stats - that is clearly circumstance driven in a situation where he joined a veteran team and as a freshman had limited opportunity in a scoring role. With much better opportunity this year with some big vets having moved on, if his stats don't improve it'll be time to get nervous
with him I keep coming back to him playing the WJC at 18. The American program has been as strong as ours this decade and if a kid plays on either team at 18 the odds of going on to a successful nhl career are quite high.
if you look at Bowers by comparison his NCAA stats were more impressive but I don't believe he even garnered an invite to one of the camps. The NCAA stats favour Bowers but when we go bestie on bestie, Norris makes Team USA and Bowers by virtue of not even having been invited would not have made Team Canada team B.