Rumor: Josh Gorges (Possibly being traded some time soon)
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It's bad because the Habs tried to force him to go to a team they knew he didn't want to be traded to. That's what terrible management groups do.
Natey
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Fair enough.. sorry man. But you can't blame me... if you saw some of the proposals Habs fans make.. you'd understand.Woh..some of you should detect some sarcasm on here! Do you really think that proposal was serious haha
Especially when we all know that Bergevin loves bridge deals!
Whitesnake
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I don't see the professionnalism in the "What have I done to deserve this" type of comments. You did nothing wrong Josh. It's hockey. Trades happen. Unless his reaction is..."Do you hate me that much to trade me to Toronto...", that....I can't disagree.
Kenny Powders
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dude you can't be serious!
Poor little boy is getting traded where he doesnt want to.. Boo ****ing hoo.
Plenty of players get traded where they dont want, ask Neal if he's happy to be in Nashville..
WhiskeySeven*
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Can,t wait for the deal with Emelin and Desharnais....
All great to fix the D and we have to do that. I guess one thing at time....but we ALSO need to fix the centerman line. Might as well do it to Pleks too then....
Bergevin won't admit defeat on those two terrible deals. Emelin is better trade bait than Gorges, both for the Habs' lockeroom and for value. We'd need to find another hitter but Gorges is effectively twice the d-man Emelin is.
groovejuice
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If this hoopla is for Dan Boyle, then mgmt is dumb as ****. Maybe 5 years ago, but Dan has one foot in retirement and the other barely hanging on the ice. I'd be ecstatic if they go after Ehrhoff though.
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Team_Spirit
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If it's for crap like locals Patenteau or Burrows im gonna ****ing snap.
btw way to make you goalie angry MB, Gorges is Price buddy.
btw way to make you goalie angry MB, Gorges is Price buddy.
Markov4Captain
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We complain that we can't generate anything from the backend, yet criticize Bergevin when he tries to bring in a puck moving defenseman.
We complain that we should give a shot to Tinordi and Beaulieu yet criticize Bergevin when he tries to make room for them.
We complain that we should give a shot to Tinordi and Beaulieu yet criticize Bergevin when he tries to make room for them.
Exactly. The Habs' second power play unit was abysmal, especially on the blueline. I don't ever want to see gorges or Bouillon on a PP again.
Tinordi is ready to eat up a lot of those PK minutes Gorges provided IMO. He'll provide more size and physical presence.
My take is that Bergy is looking for a dman that can play on the second PP unit with Beaulieu...and Tinordi will replace Gorge's minutes on the PK and in shutdown situations nursing a lead. Whichever of the three is playing best 5-on-5 will be paired with PK on regular shifts. Presumably it will be the dman he picks up for now that will play in the top four..eventually Nate and Tin work their way up as theyre ready.
Redux91
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Heartbreaking really... Always liked josh but with the contract the way it is and with bergevin seeming to have something planned.. He really does have to go.. Would hate to see a maple leafs jersey on him .. Hell lot I thought he was gonna be freaking captain next year lol.. It'll clearly be plekanec now
Should be interesting how this all turns out... Tomorrows gonna be fun
But josh doesn't wanna leave mtl and his buddy price.. Too bad lol
Whitesnake
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All depends how it was done. Josh signed a contract how many years ago which he gave a list. I personnally don't know that info...but is that list reviewed every year? People can change opinions. So if Bergevin goes to Gorges with the "I have a trade to Toronto....I know they are not on your list but are you now okay to go there..", I don't think it's that bad. But if it's YOU ARE TRADED to Toronto....you only need to sign here and here and here....then, it's another thing.
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Did Neal have a NTC? Didn't think so. You can't get mad at a player for using something that's part of his contract.
People here are acting like anyone who dares use their NTC is a selfish *******
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I don't see the professionnalism in the "What have I done to deserve this" type of comments. You did nothing wrong Josh. It's hockey. Trades happen. Unless his reaction is..."Do you hate me that much to trade me to Toronto...", that....I can't disagree.
The attitude is acceptable man. He didn't think he'd get dealt, so he's surprised. He's not calling anyone out, or suggesting they have issues like Don Maloney did about Ribeiro.
Not you, but some people REALLY like to defend management at all costs, all the time. Just how it is.
Leon Lucius Black
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Neal was part of a team that was supposed to go to the finals and lost in the second round, they fired their coach and GM so clearly changes were coming to that team which I'm sure all the players' realized.
Gorges contributed a lot to a team that was just 2 games away from the finals and seemed to be well respected and liked in the dressing room.
These are two totally different cases, my point is obviously the guy is upset as he likely thought he was going to be a part of this team going forward (and possibly even captain with Gionta gone) and probably didn't see this coming up until the last couple of days. I don't have a problem with trading him to improve our team, I just don't get why people are *****ing about the guy being upset about getting traded. Yes it is a business, but Gorges clearly loved playing here so you can't blame him for being upset.
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Dealing with Toronto means that an assortment of Leaf media friends, including McKenzie, get information that may not otherwise have leaked out. Toronto also gets to withhold certain information, namely in terms of player(s) involved on their end, all conceivably as part of the favor for divulging their interest in Gorges and their attempt to get him.
Other thing that strikes me is why would the Habs continue to entertain a trade request from Toronna, when Gorges clearly doesn't want to go there and/or is rightfully enforcing the NTC clause that prevents him from being traded there.
If Gorges has the type of value that some of here are ascribing to him, would he not have had more suitors than just the one team that happens to be in the Habs division and blocked by the NTC? Unless the other teams are just waiting for this to play itself out, call Bergevin's bluff about making Gorges a free agent and then sign him for nothing. How bad are the offers from the 15 teams that Gorges favors, that the Habs find themselves negotiating with the Laffs? Or how insignificant or non-existent are they?
There has to be a lot more than this, that McKenzie is not privy to, so overly focusing on what Toronto might do, is kind of irrelevant -- if the reports we have so far are true, the ball was never in their court.
If MB now needs to make room so badly in order to sign some other player he covets, then it makes that Brière signing from last year, all the more detrimental, especially that a NMC/NTC was granted to essentially a 4th line player near the end of his rope.
Kind of ironic to see how Gorges' name is made the object of this type of drama -- Gorges reminds of the management guy/team leader who was pontificating in the conference room 15 minutes before, only to find out that he's been canned and now is just some guy filling out the dreaded cardboard box with his personal effects at his desk, with the company's security guard looking over his shoulder to make sure he doesn't steal anything on the way out.
I wish this could have been handled differently and in a more private, dignified matter, however, there appears to be a battle at wills at play and the Habs' best interests have to take precedence over whatever Gorges' camp may be trying to use to fend off MB.
Other thing that strikes me is why would the Habs continue to entertain a trade request from Toronna, when Gorges clearly doesn't want to go there and/or is rightfully enforcing the NTC clause that prevents him from being traded there.
If Gorges has the type of value that some of here are ascribing to him, would he not have had more suitors than just the one team that happens to be in the Habs division and blocked by the NTC? Unless the other teams are just waiting for this to play itself out, call Bergevin's bluff about making Gorges a free agent and then sign him for nothing. How bad are the offers from the 15 teams that Gorges favors, that the Habs find themselves negotiating with the Laffs? Or how insignificant or non-existent are they?
There has to be a lot more than this, that McKenzie is not privy to, so overly focusing on what Toronto might do, is kind of irrelevant -- if the reports we have so far are true, the ball was never in their court.
If MB now needs to make room so badly in order to sign some other player he covets, then it makes that Brière signing from last year, all the more detrimental, especially that a NMC/NTC was granted to essentially a 4th line player near the end of his rope.
Kind of ironic to see how Gorges' name is made the object of this type of drama -- Gorges reminds of the management guy/team leader who was pontificating in the conference room 15 minutes before, only to find out that he's been canned and now is just some guy filling out the dreaded cardboard box with his personal effects at his desk, with the company's security guard looking over his shoulder to make sure he doesn't steal anything on the way out.
I wish this could have been handled differently and in a more private, dignified matter, however, there appears to be a battle at wills at play and the Habs' best interests have to take precedence over whatever Gorges' camp may be trying to use to fend off MB.
Luigi Habs
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Never been a fan of Gorges but he didn't deserve this. Maybe it's business, but rarely you see a transfer rumor being leaked publicly in great details such as this one. Feel bad for him, he gave everything he had for this team and he'll probably leave with a very bad taste towards management.
Omg, I understand that the Gorges contact is bad, but I hope we're going to receive something interesting for him...
I don't see the professionnalism in the "What have I done to deserve this" type of comments. You did nothing wrong Josh. It's hockey. Trades happen. Unless his reaction is..."Do you hate me that much to trade me to Toronto...", that....I can't disagree.
Ya, it's almost like he has some sort of limited NTC in his professional hockey contract... that he is going expand the teams in it so that the Habs don't have to put him on waivers and actually get something in return instead of nothing. What an Ahole this guy Josh is.
Emelin's just not a very good hockey player besides his body checks here and there. If Gorges is not worth his contract, Emelin's takes on the semblance of a mini-albatross. No hockey IQ whatsoever. But hey, Bergevin obviously doesn't want to open that can of worms seeing as there is a much safer and easier alternative that doesn't open his general manager abilities up to serious criticism. Politics at play here, pure and simple.
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