Joe McGrath
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You're trying to use GA60 against me by using outliers and those who play against the weakest competition. I guess strawman arguments are legitimate statistical analysis now.
Odd that this whole debate comes during a losing streak where we've scored 6 goals total, as if they great Brandon Sutter would have any effect on that. I'm sure you could find many 5, 10, 15 game streaks of utterly terrible offensive play from Sutter, but nobody gave a **** because skated fast and the usual scapegoats were being blamed.
And you're flexing advanced stats in your favor by cherry-picking the ones that support your point.
If you're serious about making a fully-rounded study of Sutter vs. Staal in their roles on the Pens, you could just as easily include:
- Save percentage of .942 (Sutter '13) vs .896 (Staal '12)
- PDO of 1033 (Sutter '13) vs. 984 (Staal '12)
- Defensive faceoff wins at 50.4% (Sutter '13) vs 56.7% (Staal '12)
- G/60 of 0.79 (Sutter '13) vs 0.99 (Staal '12)
- P/60 of 1.42 (Sutter '13) vs 2.30 (Staal '12)
If someone wants to put together a complete quantitative analysis of these players, I'm all ears. But this stuff about sitting around picking one advanced stat as a catch-all is ridiculous, and I'm sure you know that if you're familiar enough with the material to use it the way you're trying to.
That's an interesting topic.
Pointless streaks this season
Staal - 3, 4
Sutter - 2, 2, 2, 4, 4, 6
General commentary about SV% while a player is on the ice. Isn't that an incomplete analysis if you don't account for scoring chances. Save % goes up if you are forcing teams to take many long distance or otherwise crappy shots, like the Bruins of the Chara era.
AJJ and LK going head to head? Get your popcorn ready folks.
I use the mobile version of the site, and thus can't figure out who LK used to be...
At one point I thought it was another account for AJJ....he wouldn't argue against himself would he? Lol....
It's hard to judge him. He has a useless piece of garbage named Jeff Skinner on his line who does nothing except turn the puck over 400 times a game.
LK use to be both Meleeray and bluecowman (he of "skinner is jealous of Staal and the NHL needs 2 more teams in Mexico).
It wasn't actually quite as clear cut as that vis-a-vis a contract extension with Pittsburgh.And this is ignoring the fact that Pittsburgh still had the opportunity to resign Jordan. It was the length of their original offer that was the problem, not anything about him not wanting to play in Pittsburgh. Had they offered him a 2-3 deal, he likely would have taken it.
JR overpaid, yes, but out of necessity.
Last June 21, the day before his wedding, he had every intention of signing a contract extension that could have kept him with the Penguins for the next 11 seasons.
It was all there: guaranteed money (about $57 million total), long-term security (a 10-year term), an understanding that his role would continue to expand beyond that of a traditional No. 3 center.
Only one person could have kept Staal from making that commitment to the franchise that made him the second overall pick in 2006.
That person was his oldest brother and best friend, Eric, who plainly offered that if Jordan Staal accepted this offer there was no chance they could ever play together.
"It was never a slam-dunk (decision). Until that last day, I thought I was definitely going to stay."
I really just wanted to play out my contract in Pittsburgh and see what was going to happen
Pens fan here. The Canes being on national tv made me look up how he's been doing. I see he's a -6 so far this year. I know his last several months in Pittsburgh he stopped being responsible defensively(same as the rest of the team). I'm wondering how his penalty killing and backchecking is going for the Canes.