Filthy Dangles
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Both players are 20 years of age and you get to have one for a decade. Which player is more valuable?
I have the advantage of hindsight. Three Stanley Cups and a Conn Smythe is all you need to know.
Matthews might be the Luongo version of centers.Toews.
You can win the Cup with Niemi. Not sure you can win it with the C version of Niemi. The Leafs may have tried.
Toews only because center > goalie.
Toews, but mostly because of positional value.
Center isn't a more valuable position than goalie. The best centers are just more consistently the best from year to year and in a short playoff series than the best goalies. Lundqvist was a major exception to that. Best performing goalie in both playoffs and regular season by a large margin overall over an entire decade.
Yes it is. Let's look at some recent championship teams.
Who's harder to find. MAF/Matt Murray or Crosby/Malkin? Holtby or Backstrom/Kuznetsov? Tim Thomas or Patrice Bergeron? Crawford/Niemi or Toews? etc.
goalie's can single-handedly win games and championships for a team. centers can't do thatYes it is. Let's look at some recent championship teams.
Who's harder to find. MAF/Matt Murray or Crosby/Malkin? Holtby or Backstrom/Kuznetsov? Tim Thomas or Patrice Bergeron? Crawford/Niemi or Toews? etc.
Please ignore the rest of my post where I explain why that happens.
Well yeah that's a huge factor that has to be weighed. To use a baseball analogy, Derek Jeter's bat might not have been as valuable as David Ortiz's but you can bet your ass he was the more valuable player.
Actually, Jeter had a way higher offensive WAR, but I get what you're saying.
goalie's can single-handedly win games and championships for a team. centers can't do that
Because offensive War is accounting for and adjusting the fact that Jeter is a shortstop and Ortiz is a DH....it's not a position neutral stat
Sure, but when you say Ortiz's bat was more valuable, technically it wasn't.
It was certainly more powerful.
"best centers are just more consistently the best from year to year....." > goalie performance doesn't vary that much > it's easy(er) to find a goalie capable of winning a cup > goalies are less valuable.
Why haven't Luongo or Hank or Price won? Goalies can score goals now?