Player Discussion Jonathan Drouin----Nothing burger edition.

[Tyson]

I expect very little from him. My biggest concern is he hurts other linemates

 

[blarneylad]

I don't think anybody is advocating trading him for scraps. I mean i don't understand why this type of arguments come up every time there's an discussion. Of course if the options is keep Drouin and hope for the best and trade him for an end of 1st round pick then of course you keep him. But the road map of MB for the upcoming seasons should have Drouin as a 50-60 points offensive minded top 6 winger who needs help from his line mates both offensively and defensively. And if there's a good offer for a player answering a need then do it. We are not lacking smallish wingers right now.

Drouin has been beyond frustrating but I'm just saying lots of guys take till this exact age to start to perform. I want to see less turnovers and more points this year.

Not sure he will ever be a driving force but he will be that top 6 winger who scores in bunches. 20-30g 60 points is my expectation. I understand with last year's play and this preseason that looks really optimistic.

If he is part of a package for Laine? Ya I agree buh bye!

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

He aint no ****in' caterpillar. don't expect a sudden metamorphism.

If he ever breaks put, we'll have no other choice than to call him butterfly

 

[LaP]

Drouin has been beyond frustrating but I'm just saying lots of guys take till this exact age to start to perform. I want to see less turnovers and more points this year.

Not sure he will ever be a driving force but he will be that top 6 winger who scores in bunches. 20-30g 60 points is my expectation. I understand with last year's play and this preseason that looks really optimistic.

If he is part of a package for Laine? Ya I agree buh bye!

I don't think it is. He's a skilled guy he'll do his 50-60 points in his prime without too much trouble imo. He just wont likely be this guy you can count on to win. He's not alone there's many guys like him. Beside i don't really disagree with you i just think Huberdeau was a not a very good example.

Huberdeau was playing for a shitty team. In his 3rd season he did 54 points which was good for the best scorer of his team with not less than 10 more points than the 2nd one. The first line center was Bjugstad who is pretty much a 3rd line center overrated because he had too much TOI with Florida. The prior season (Huberdeau 2nd one) he did only 28 points in 69 games but this was only 10 points less than the best scorer of his team who had a big 38 points. Our team is bad but not that bad we had 7 players with more than 38 points lol

 

[muzion]

Tampa never considered Drouin a top 6 player. They would start him every year on Stamkos' line, then dropped him on the 3rd.

He's been given a countless chances as a Hab, even on the first line replacing Tatar, with two of the hardest working guys, yet his play still managed to water down his line. He couldn't cut in easier matchups with Domi, who was 14th in even-strength production league-wide. We scored the 5th most even-strength goals, yet he was nowhere to be found 5-on-5, especially on the road vs playoff teams. Drouin has always been a PP specialist, yet his advanced stats last year were atrocious. It was a bad trade from the start, and I can't believe there's still some people who think he can be a 70 pts player.

 

[Runner77]

Tampa never considered Drouin a top 6 player. They would start him every year on Stamkos' line, then dropped him on the 3rd.

He's been given a countless chances as a Hab, even on the first line replacing Tatar, with two of the hardest working guys, yet his play still managed to water down his line. He couldn't cut in easier matchups with Domi, who was 14th in even-strength production league-wide. We scored the 5th most even-strength goals, yet he was nowhere to be found 5-on-5, especially on the road vs playoff teams. Drouin has always been a PP specialist, yet his advanced stats last year were atrocious. It was a bad trade from the start, and I can't believe there's still some people who think he can be a 70 pts player.

I wonder how Hab scout missed the prevailing signals on Drouin.

It's as if they don't pay attention to how the player is being deployed and why. They did the same when they greenlighted Alzner when in his last year, Washington considered him a liability and limited his use in the playoffs.

 

[tazsub3]

I wonder how Hab scout missed the prevailing signals on Drouin.

It's as if they don't pay attention to how the player is being deployed and why. They did the same when they greenlighted Alzner when in his last year, Washington considered him a liability and limited his use in the playoffs.

they desperately wanted a french face for the franchise, to the point were they ignored every sign out there and overpaid to boot,
Heck next to the arena i saw posters wanted 10 french players. funny the 2 we have are the least hardest workers of the team!

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Drouin is such a problem for CJ right now its not even funny.

I mean every line he puts Drouin on, that line dissapears.

It started around game 55 last season and continues so far this preseason.

I mean CJ has no idea what to do with him. There are atleast 10 players playing better and harder than JD. How can he justify putting Drouin top 6 when practically the whole team is more productive or more reliable? And you can't have JD on the fourth line, you just can't.

Only option is a trade. And don't be afraid of what Drouin might do with his new team, just focus on the fact he isn't working here.

Package him in a big trade or one for one him to a team that's interested.

Say JD + Lehky/Armia + Juulsen/Brook for Laine

That's just an example.

Anyways, a decision needs to be taken regarding Drouin and fast. Can't have this dragging all season long.

He's slowly becoming a hindrance to the rest of the players on the team.

 

[OldCraig71]

I wonder how Hab scout missed the prevailing signals on Drouin.

It's as if they don't pay attention to how the player is being deployed and why. They did the same when they greenlighted Alzner when in his last year, Washington considered him a liability and limited his use in the playoffs.

That had very little to do with the trade for Drouin, I continue to think that it was a PR move designed to take the heat off Bergevin's shoulders. Montreal media types threw Drouin's name around for months especially after he was considered to be done in Tampa, MB used the opportunity to put a positive spin on what was a terrible season. We gave up one of the best young D prospects in the game and a guy that surely would have been a better partner for Weber than Mete has. For me, looking back on it I consider it to be one of his very worst trades, we traded a player we needed for a guy that doesn't fit anywhere. Drouin is just not that good and is on his last big NHL contract, he will bounce around for a few years once this deal ends, probably 1 million per season until he finally decides to retire.

 

[OldCraig71]

There will be more when the season starts, not to worry.

I don't know if this is from the game in MSG last season but if it is, it was possibly one of the very worst games I have ever witnessed from a habs player. Even the play by play guys couldn't get over just how many times he either gave the puck away or completely missed routine defensive assignments. For some reason I think that the combination of the two got up to around 20 times.

 

[muzion]

I wonder how Hab scout missed the prevailing signals on Drouin.

It's as if they don't pay attention to how the player is being deployed and why. They did the same when they greenlighted Alzner when in his last year, Washington considered him a liability and limited his use in the playoffs.

Heard at the time on the radio they had always loved him, obviously, so I guess they chose to ignore what happened in Tampa. They did their "due diligence"and called Halifax. Bobby Smith told them he was the smartest player that had ever passed through their organization, and that he was a hockey nerd, among other things.

I don't even mind the mistake, but I don't understand what's taking so long to rectify it, cause like you said the underlying numbers with Alzner and Drouin were clear as day, and they ended up doing exactly what the numbers said they would.

 

[sandysan]

Can we give him 15 regular season games before going full crazy on here?

of course the last 15 were so fantastic, he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

I mean a mercurial aphysical winger with attitude problems based largely on a completely undeserved sense of entitlement, that's what screams " 3rd line winger" to me !

Ca sent la coupe mes amis !

 

[Rapala]

Tampa never considered Drouin a top 6 player. They would start him every year on Stamkos' line, then dropped him on the 3rd.

He's been given a countless chances as a Hab, even on the first line replacing Tatar, with two of the hardest working guys, yet his play still managed to water down his line. He couldn't cut in easier matchups with Domi, who was 14th in even-strength production league-wide. We scored the 5th most even-strength goals, yet he was nowhere to be found 5-on-5, especially on the road vs playoff teams. Drouin has always been a PP specialist, yet his advanced stats last year were atrocious. It was a bad trade from the start, and I can't believe there's still some people who think he can be a 70 pts player.

One thing I did notice I actually prefer Mete to Drouin on the point on our PP AINEC.

 

[sandysan]

Disagree. It was a good trade that directly addressed our biggest need: offence. Drouin came with question marks and a lot of talent, which is a risk worth taking.

The **** came after. Anointing him our #1C and not adding more talent were the double mistakes that turned a potential star into a underperforming headcase. Becoming a media darling thrust his on-ice problems into the spotlight, making him a target. Yeah, his usage sucked, but right now the problem is purely mental. And that's not something you can predict beforehand, any more than we can predict how another question-mark, Laine, would respond in our market.

It's still possible Drouin can get his head straight and take another step this season, but I have to admit I'd rather he take a series of steps in the direction of Winnipeg.

imma gonna have to stop you right there. And if jonathan drouin only gives a crap if we surround him with palyers he can parasitize, that right there might be the problem.

sure drouin could, after all this time, turn it around.

and pigs could fly,

 

[Toene]

they desperately wanted a french face for the franchise, to the point were they ignored every sign out there and overpaid to boot,
Heck next to the arena i saw posters wanted 10 french players. funny the 2 we have are the least hardest workers of the team!

Danault is a lazy player?

 

[sandysan]

Danault is a lazy player?

I was kind of wondering the same thing. I mean drouin being lazy is obvious, but Dano ?

 

[jabes]

 

[Halakitlikethat]

He doesn’t fit with this team on any line

 

[Monsieur Miz]

French media said he was a diamond in the rough when we got him.

 

[Lshap]

imma gonna have to stop you right there. And if jonathan drouin only gives a crap if we surround him with palyers he can parasitize, that right there might be the problem.

sure drouin could, after all this time, turn it around.

and pigs could fly,

Yeah, we agree. Drouin is a very talented complementary player. But that's not a deal-breaker, it's simply places him among many talented players who need to play alongside different skillsets to be effective. Plenty of very desirable top-end forwards fit that category. Drouin's problem is some combo of consistency/work-ethic/focus. He can leech off linemates every day for all I care, just as long as he's leeching points and not broken plays.

 

[tazsub3]

Danault is a lazy player?

Sorry, we have 3, i thinking of the other two. My mistake! Meant hudon and drouin

 

[BLONG7]

French media said he was a diamond in the rough when we got him.

No surprise there...

And, they were wrong............everyone has been wrong, except Yzerman.

 

[peate]

I was kind of wondering the same thing. I mean drouin being lazy is obvious, but Dano ?

Dont confuse working hard with hardly working.

 

[CauZuki]

 

[Rapala]

FWIW Sergachev with a nice PP goal.