Jonathan Bernier - And right back into the starting role

[Paradoc]

There are 30 active goalies who have played at least 150gms.

1.Schneider: 243gms, .926
2.Rask: 293gms, .925
3.Holtby: 208gms, .923
4.Lundqvist: 651gms, .921
5.Price: 447gms, .920
6.Luongo: 894gms, .919
7.Bishop: 201gms, .919
8.Bobrovsky: 255gms, .918
9.Rinne: 413gms, .918
10.Varlamov: 292gms, .918
11.Halak: 351gms, .917
12.Crawford: 299gms, .917
13.Quick: 438gms, .916
14.Niemi: 364gms, .916
15.Anderson: 436gms, .915
16.Hiller: 388gms, .915
17.Howard: 355gms, .915
18.Reimer: 192gms, .915
19.Miller: 632gms, .915
20.Dubnyk: 260gms, .914
21.Neuvirth: 184gms, .914
22.Bernier: 192gms, .914
23.Lehtonen: 528gms, .913
24.Fleury: 620gms, .912
25.Elliot: 294gms, .912
26.Smith: 409gms, .912
27.Mason: 373gms, .910
28.Ward: 539gms, .909
29.Pavelec: 353gms, .908
30.Gustavsson: 159gms, .901

These numbers are pretty screwered. For one, the average sv % has been going up for many seasons, so those that played numerous games since 2005-2006 have lower sv % than today's sv %. It would be better if you compared adjusted sv % or even gaa %.

 

[Le Cobra]

Reimer + Sparks combo is much better. It's unfortunate both are injured. There's no way Bernier wins this game vs the Blues. At least 4 are going in tonight. The Leafs are going to have to score 5/6 goals a game in order to win with Bernier in net.

 

[zeke]

These numbers are pretty screwered. For one, the average sv % has been going up for many seasons, so those that played numerous games since 2005-2006 have lower sv % than today's sv %. It would be better if you compared adjusted sv % or even gaa %.

since 10-11, when both reims and bernie became regular nhlers:

1.Schneider 223gms, .927
2.Rask 243gms, .924
3.Lundqvist 313gms, .924
4.Price 313gms, .923
5.Holtby 208gms, .923
6.Luongo 282gms, .921
7.Bishop 195gms, .920
8.Rinne 300gms, .920
9.Quick 319gms, .919
10.Varlamov 260gms, .918
11.Bobrovsky 255gms, .918
12.Fleury 318gms, .917
13.Crawford 291gms, .917
14.Anderson 256gms, .917
15.Niemi 322gms, .917
16.Halak 250gms, .917
17.Dubnyk 241gms, .916
18.Miller 299gms, .915
19.Reimer 192gms, .915
20.Lehtonen 312gms, .915
21.Neuvirth 162gms, .914
22.Bernier 185gms, .914
23.Elliott 207gms, .914
24.Smith 269gms, .914
25.Howard 283gms, .914
26.Hiller 260gms, .913
27.Ward 267gms, .913
28.Mason 255gms, .911
29.Pavelec 292gms, .909

 

[zeke]

While also playing lesser competition and having more rest days.

Reimer, while he has missed time to injury or being in the minors, has rarely ever been used as a backup or even platoon goalie against softer competition, and in the 2 seasons he was, his numbers were worse, not better.

 

[TMLegend]

since 10-11, when both reims and bernie became regular nhlers:

1.Schneider 223gms, .927
2.Rask 243gms, .924
3.Lundqvist 313gms, .924
4.Price 313gms, .923
5.Holtby 208gms, .923
6.Luongo 282gms, .921
7.Bishop 195gms, .920
8.Rinne 300gms, .920
9.Quick 319gms, .919
10.Varlamov 260gms, .918
11.Bobrovsky 255gms, .918
12.Fleury 318gms, .917
13.Crawford 291gms, .917
14.Anderson 256gms, .917
15.Niemi 322gms, .917
16.Halak 250gms, .917
17.Dubnyk 241gms, .916
18.Miller 299gms, .915
19.Reimer 192gms, .915
20.Lehtonen 312gms, .915
21.Neuvirth 162gms, .914
22.Bernier 185gms, .914
23.Elliott 207gms, .914
24.Smith 269gms, .914
25.Howard 283gms, .914
26.Hiller 260gms, .913
27.Ward 267gms, .913
28.Mason 255gms, .911
29.Pavelec 292gms, .909

So... he's a backup? bottom third in save% and one of lowest games played there too despite being his team's #1 from 2010-11 to 2012-13. Thanks for this brilliant insight.

 

[zeke]

This season + Last season, minimum 50gms:

1.Price 78gms .934
2.Holtby 103gms .926
3.Dubnyk 87gms .926
4.Schneider 100gms .926
5.Crawford 88gms .924
6.Luongo 91gms .922
7.Mason 74gms .922
8.Lundqvist 77gms, .922
9.Fleury 89gms .922
10.Mrazek 53gms .921
11.Anderson 65gms .920
12.Rask 97gms .920
13.Allen 67gms .920
14.Varlamov 82gms .919
15.Bishop 93gms .919
16.Quick 103gms .919
17.Talbot 56gms .919
18.Rinne 96gms .918
19.Bobrovsky 76gms .917
20.Pavelec 65gms .917
21.Reimer 52gms .917
22.Elliot 59gms .916
23.Halak 79gms .916
24.Niemi 87gms .916
25.Lack 55gms .914
26.Anderson 74gms .914
27.Hutchinson 54gms .911
28.Howard 70gms .910
29.Miller 73gms .910
30.Ramo 59gms .910
31.Hiller 62gms .909
32.Enroth 57gms .908
33.Bernier 75gms .908
34.Ward 78gms .907
35.Lehtonen 83gms .905
36.Smith 84gms .904
37.Scrivens 58gms .890

 

[zeke]

So... he's a backup? bottom third in save% and one of lowest games played there too despite being his team's #1 from 2010-11 to 2012-13. Thanks for this brilliant insight.

how many teams are in the league?

 

[TMLegend]

how many teams are in the league?

30. But that doesn't mean there's 30 #1 goaltenders however.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Reimer + Sparks combo is much better. It's unfortunate both are injured. There's no way Bernier wins this game vs the Blues. At least 4 are going in tonight. The Leafs are going to have to score 5/6 goals a game in order to win with Bernier in net.

lol

 

[Nithoniniel]

lol

Ouch. That's a bad one.

 

[Paradoc]

Reimer + Sparks combo is much better. It's unfortunate both are injured. There's no way Bernier wins this game vs the Blues. At least 4 are going in tonight. The Leafs are going to have to score 5/6 goals a game in order to win with Bernier in net.

Another great game by Bernier. Starting the year off with a near perfect game versus a great team.

 

[TMLegend]

Another great game by Bernier. Starting the year off with a near perfect game versus a great team.

I just love how he "battles" and how he "competes".

 

[King Leaf]

Another great game by Bernier. Starting the year off with a near perfect game versus a great team.

I just love how he "battles" and how he "competes".

Look I'm as happy as the next guy at Bernies game tonight and I know you guys aren't trying to rub anyone the wrong way, but save the cheering for when he's strung together a great ten game performance. If you make comments like this after every win it'll just make people who hate Bernier hate him even more. Analyze his game, of course! Just know that people won't be able to separate the player from his supporters. And besides, pefromances like tonight will speak for themselves.

 

[saltming]

Reimer + Sparks combo is much better. It's unfortunate both are injured. There's no way Bernier wins this game vs the Blues. At least 4 are going in tonight. The Leafs are going to have to score 5/6 goals a game in order to win with Bernier in net.

Hmmmmm. You might be right?

 

[hfman]

MISSING:

Hundreds of Bernier haters. If found, please return to the forums.



Jokes aside - good job yet again by Jonathan. Great to see that the slump is behind him. We all knew he was coming out of it eventually. All players go through it. He's starting up the "who's the #1 goalie" controversy yet again.

To add to that, the Leafs are starting to turn a corner here I feel. This year is still a writeoff, but we can see that there's finally something positive happening. After years and years of false starts - could this finally be the turning point?

 

[hockeyes]

I just love how he "battles" and how he "competes".

He has the last two games, he wasn't prior.

All those excuses prior were a joke. Tonight, he got 1 post and 2 missed empty nets, I don't call him lucky for getting good bounces because you make your luck the same way you make your own bad luck which he was doing all year prior to very recently. I never hated the guy, I just hated all the the "bad bounces" crap when he was playing terrible.

 

[saltming]

His game has changed, and I mean in the focus department. The most noticable thing I've seen is that when the puck goes behind the net and the leafs are in postition to cleanly get the puck he used to take his eyes off the puck, now he tracks it until the leafs player touches it.
Time will tell, but ive noticed this in his games since the call up except the blow out.

 

[airbus220]

Great game from Bernier. But if you had a choice you wouldn't start him because he was so bad recently. Good if he gets some value, the trade deadline isn't far.

 

[Paradoc]

Great game from Bernier. But if you had a choice you wouldn't start him because he was so bad recently. Good if he gets some value, the trade deadline isn't far.

His last game was incredible, why wouldn't you start him tonight?

 

[Paradoc]

Look I'm as happy as the next guy at Bernies game tonight and I know you guys aren't trying to rub anyone the wrong way, but save the cheering for when he's strung together a great ten game performance. If you make comments like this after every win it'll just make people who hate Bernier hate him even more. Analyze his game, of course! Just know that people won't be able to separate the player from his supporters. And besides, pefromances like tonight will speak for themselves.

I think its appropriate to cheer for a player when he has a great performance. It's the same whenever Kadri or Rielly plays great, their thread is littered with praises for them. If peole take my comment the wrong way then it's clearly their problem. I'm just happy about his performance after the season he's had so far.

 

[Mats13]

Reimer + Sparks combo is much better. It's unfortunate both are injured. There's no way Bernier wins this game vs the Blues. At least 4 are going in tonight. The Leafs are going to have to score 5/6 goals a game in order to win with Bernier in net.

Well then... Someone looks pretty stupid right now...

 

[Mats13]

Same for me, I bash Bernier only because of the rediculous Bernier fan club. Wonder how Bernier will play today.

Right, I mean it's not like Reimer has an obnoxious following that refuses to give him any kind of blame for anything.

 

[eddieO]

Great game Bernier! Happy for him.

 

[hfman]

I'm impartial to both goalies. Both can go, or both can stay, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that both will be long gone by the time this team (if ever) is truly competing. These guys are here for the now, not for the future, that much is pretty well certain.

I just gawked at the sheer amount of hate towards Bernier while he was in his slump. I know that when Riemer was having a hard time a just a season or two back, the negativity towards him was pretty sharp on the internet. But more recently, with Bernier - wow. That negativity seemed to have quadroupled towards him. Absurd statements like he should be banished from the NHL, or sent to the minors forever, you name it - I was left scratching my head over these comments and wondered about the mindset of who was making those comments. It's why internet commentators will never be taken seriously in this world, ever (just like this post will never be taken seriously either lol). Too many unstable ideas. Bernier was in a slump just like all other NHL players. Is every NHL'er who goes through their inevitable slump (because they will ALL go through many slumps) be subjected to thousands of unstable, ridiculous comments? I guess. When they're riding high, no one comments. When they're riding low, the haters come out at night.

It's funny because just a week ago I posted a comment here stating that just wait- Bernier will turn this slump around, win 5 or 6 in a row and compete for the starters job again all while Riemer hits the skids lol. Well -I already have (almost) the first half of that prediction correct.. now it's time for James to lose 3 or 4 in a row and round' she goes again

Seriously though - why won't management deal with this once and for all. Just designate the starter and designate the backup. If they don't want to do that, then move one or both of them out. This is causing a lot of stress and uncertainty for both of these guys, and has been for years. It's too long. There's no doubt that it's affecting their game. If they win, they think, "great, I won- but am I playing next game?". If they lose, they think "oh well, at least I'll be backup". This removes a level of competition from their heads. If one of them is the starter, then they'll play like one. Patrick Roy. Ed Belfour. Curtis Joseph. But if they don't know if they're #1 or #2, then - they'll inadvertently play like that. Glen Healey. Trevor Kidd. Scott Clemmensen. They knew they were #2 guys, they knew their spot. Riemer/Bernier: if they win, ok, if not, ok as well - they'll drop to #2. They NEED to know where they're at so they can play like it. They're both good guys, at least give them the decency to officially designate them. Deal with it, make the decisions, and stamp it.

 

[King Leaf]

I'm impartial to both goalies. Both can go, or both can stay, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that both will be long gone by the time this team (if ever) is truly competing. These guys are here for the now, not for the future, that much is pretty well certain.

I just gawked at the sheer amount of hate towards Bernier while he was in his slump. I know that when Riemer was having a hard time a just a season or two back, the negativity towards him was pretty sharp on the internet. But more recently, with Bernier - wow. That negativity seemed to have quadroupled towards him. Absurd statements like he should be banished from the NHL, or sent to the minors forever, you name it - I was left scratching my head over these comments and wondered about the mindset of who was making those comments. It's why internet commentators will never be taken seriously in this world, ever (just like this post will never be taken seriously either lol). Too many unstable ideas. Bernier was in a slump just like all other NHL players. Is every NHL'er who goes through their inevitable slump (because they will ALL go through many slumps) be subjected to thousands of unstable, ridiculous comments? I guess. When they're riding high, no one comments. When they're riding low, the haters come out at night.

It's funny because just a week ago I posted a comment here stating that just wait- Bernier will turn this slump around, win 5 or 6 in a row and compete for the starters job again all while Riemer hits the skids lol. Well -I already have (almost) the first half of that prediction correct.. now it's time for James to lose 3 or 4 in a row and round' she goes again

Seriously though - why won't management deal with this once and for all. Just designate the starter and designate the backup. If they don't want to do that, then move one or both of them out. This is causing a lot of stress and uncertainty for both of these guys, and has been for years. It's too long. There's no doubt that it's affecting their game. If they win, they think, "great, I won- but am I playing next game?". If they lose, they think "oh well, at least I'll be backup". This removes a level of competition from their heads. If one of them is the starter, then they'll play like one. Patrick Roy. Ed Belfour. Curtis Joseph. But if they don't know if they're #1 or #2, then - they'll inadvertently play like that. Glen Healey. Trevor Kidd. Scott Clemmensen. They knew they were #2 guys, they knew their spot. Riemer/Bernier: if they win, ok, if not, ok as well - they'll drop to #2. They NEED to know where they're at so they can play like it. They're both good guys, at least give them the decency to officially designate them. Deal with it, make the decisions, and stamp it.

I agree with most of what you're saying here, especially the stuff about internet culture but that's a long and complicated topic that there really isn't much point in discussing (on this forum anyways). I will say however that Babcock DID name Bernier the starter prior to the season, he even said Bernier would play 60+ games. Bernier was the one that crapped the bed and gave Reimer the opportunity to take the starter role. If he had put up even average numbers the first ten games, there would be 0 debate as to who's starter, in management's view anyways.