Value of: John Tavares vs. Auston Matthews

Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by BoldNewLettuce, Aug 21, 2017.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. BoldNewLettuce

    BoldNewLettuce Esquire

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2008
    Messages:
    22,085
    Likes Received:
    1,493
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Location:
    Canada
  2. The Abusement Park

    The Abusement Park Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2016
    Messages:
    11,543
    Likes Received:
    4,721
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Location:
    Denver
  3. LordNeverLose

    LordNeverLose Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    6,498
    Likes Received:
    3,550
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Location:
    Picking a fight
    Value? Definitely Matthews. Even ignoring contract situation I'd still say he's more valuable based on age.

    Tavares is the better player though.
     
  4. Luckylarry

    Luckylarry Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2017
    Messages:
    1,545
    Likes Received:
    324
    Trophy Points:
    79
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Vancouver
    Matthews is of a much greater value than Tavares. Matthews is a generational talent, who will get a McDavid contract. Tavares is a very good player, but not more than that.
     
  5. Jenkins

    Jenkins Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2017
    Messages:
    320
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    British Columbia
    That is correct
     
    exporta likes this.
  6. mymerlincat

    mymerlincat Moderator

    Joined:
    May 11, 2014
    Messages:
    15,311
    Likes Received:
    4,262
    Trophy Points:
    151
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    none
    Location:
    Orange County, CA
    Nope.
     
  7. Nervousbreakdown

    Nervousbreakdown Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2017
    Messages:
    309
    Likes Received:
    199
    Trophy Points:
    46
    I agree he is a generational player, disagree he will get mcdavid money. Mcdavid doesn't have a comparable in the NHL right now. If Matthews takes a big step forward this season and wins the hart trophy then yeah, mcdavid money might happen.

    Now as for who is more valuable between matthews and tavares, it is matthews by a mile. Who is the better player right now? Probably Tavares because we have still only seen one season of matthews, but that one season has been better than half of Tavares seasons including his first 2.
     
  8. The Abusement Park

    The Abusement Park Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2016
    Messages:
    11,543
    Likes Received:
    4,721
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Location:
    Denver
    Matthews is not a generational player yet. Not even close actually, he'll have to continue to get better every single season from here on out for that to happen.
     
  9. Dbrownss

    Dbrownss Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2014
    Messages:
    29,504
    Likes Received:
    6,778
    Trophy Points:
    175
    Boy...generational gets thrown around alot.

    Mcdavid is Generational.(notice the period, it implies thats the end of the discussion).

    When and if Matthews exceeds PPG and goes triple digits, then he's in the conversation.


    As for whos more valuable. Matthews, he's 19 with Tavares+upside and will most likely realize this season
     
    exporta likes this.
  10. BleedBlue14

    BleedBlue14 UrGeNcY

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2017
    Messages:
    4,550
    Likes Received:
    2,999
    Trophy Points:
    112
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    St. Louis
    Player wise I think they are pretty similar players. Value wise Matthews takes it due to age. If put in the same circumstances which is impossible I think they would have about the same career outlook, but as as is looking forward I think Matthews will have a better career due to line mates and also overall team talent if TOR keeps their core together. This is just my opinion but I view McDavid as a Crosby type talent and Matthews as a Tavares type.
     
  11. Los Patos de Anaheim

    Los Patos de Anaheim Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2016
    Messages:
    408
    Likes Received:
    37
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Idaho, USA
    Generational: Howe, Orr, Gretzky, Lemiuex, Jagr, Lindros, Lidstrom, Crosby, McDavid
     
  12. Sila v Kucherove

    Sila v Kucherove Yzerman 3:16

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2013
    Messages:
    11,394
    Likes Received:
    813
    Trophy Points:
    139
    In a straight up fight I think Tavares probably wins just on physical maturity alone.
     
  13. 93LEAFS

    93LEAFS Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2009
    Messages:
    23,785
    Likes Received:
    7,287
    Trophy Points:
    167
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto
    Matthews is Tavares but with better physical tools (most notably a better skater, but also slightly bigger). Very similar games and skill-sets. It's not a lock Matthews will surpass Tavares, but he has a solid chance of doing so. If you make it about next season and who would you rather have without factoring in salary, its close, with maybe a slight edge to JT due to track record. If you start factoring in, age, salary and such, it's pretty easily Matthews.
     
  14. Eternal Leaf

    Eternal Leaf Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2011
    Messages:
    3,770
    Likes Received:
    1,183
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    Toronto
    Matthews.

    A lot of variables are in his favor.
     
  15. Nervousbreakdown

    Nervousbreakdown Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2017
    Messages:
    309
    Likes Received:
    199
    Trophy Points:
    46

    Youre forgetting Alex Ovechkin.
     
  16. Baymen4

    Baymen4 Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2016
    Messages:
    353
    Likes Received:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    31
    See a couple people saying Matthews because of the contract issues with JT right now.

    If JT signed a 7 year extension with the leafs, Would there be a discussion of trading them 1 for 1?
     
  17. shortfuze

    shortfuze Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2007
    Messages:
    2,520
    Likes Received:
    636
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    scarborough
    I'm a big Matthews fan but pump the brakes a little bit.
     
  18. 93LEAFS

    93LEAFS Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2009
    Messages:
    23,785
    Likes Received:
    7,287
    Trophy Points:
    167
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto
    Generational prospects its Lemieux, Lindros, Crosby, McDavid for the modern era.

    To be a generational player, I'd say you'd need a couple Harts and a very strong track record. I'd label Hasek a generational guy over Lidstrom and Jagr. Lidstrom is a great player but in no period of time was he deemed the best player in the league by either his peers or the writers following the game, he never even got nominated for the Hart. Great player who was consistently great, but doesn't pass the iconic label required to be generational in my mind. He gets grouped with the great defenders behind Orr, which consists of Potvin, Harvey, Robinson, Bourque etc.

    Clear generational players are Gretzky, Lemieux, Orr, and Howe. Past that its debatable, but guys such as Beliveau, Ovi, Eddie Shore, Richard, Clarke, Mikita, Bobby Hull, etc enter the discussion before some of the guys you listed.

    Matthews isn't a generational prospect and is unlikely to become a generational player. If you aren't the best prospect over a 5 to 10 year window, you aren't generational. McDavid goes above everyone else in recent history outside of Sid. It isn't even debatable. I don't think there is one draft outside of the Lindros and Crosby draft (maybe 2004) where you put McDavid in, and he isn't the first overall pick by atleast a 9/1 margin, and in most cases, it would be 10-0.
     
    HoBOonFiRE likes this.
  19. Lays

    Lays Official Philipp Tomasino fan page

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2017
    Messages:
    7,196
    Likes Received:
    3,994
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    NJ
    Matthews is not generational, if he is, then so is Eichel (who I think will be better) and Laine. I don't know what question is being asked here though
     
  20. 93LEAFS

    93LEAFS Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2009
    Messages:
    23,785
    Likes Received:
    7,287
    Trophy Points:
    167
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Toronto
    Not a chance. Matthews from 20-27 will be significantly more valuable than Tavares from 28-35.
     
  21. LeafChief

    LeafChief Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2013
    Messages:
    6,959
    Likes Received:
    4,496
    Trophy Points:
    126
    Location:
    Toronto
    Pizza v Chicken Wings.

    Discuss.
     
  22. BayStBullies

    BayStBullies Burn the Boats!

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2012
    Messages:
    2,516
    Likes Received:
    231
    Trophy Points:
    81
    Location:
    @BayStBullies
    I think pizza can play in all situations, but Chicken Wings has far better reach.
     
    Leafblooded likes this.
  23. Ducks in a row

    Ducks in a row Go Ducks Quack Quack

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2013
    Messages:
    15,067
    Likes Received:
    852
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    U.S.A.
    Matthews is a good young centerman but he ain't generational and don't see him getting McDavid money.
     
  24. Jenkins

    Jenkins Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2017
    Messages:
    320
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    British Columbia
    Pizza delivers though!
     
  25. Hollywood North

    Hollywood North #WeTheNorth

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2010
    Messages:
    11,471
    Likes Received:
    1,779
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Location:
    Toronto
    I am a big fan of JT. I would love to have him in Toronto, with that being said you take Matthews every day of the week. Younger, and future Leafs captain.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"