Johnny Canucker
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Then he shouldn’t get blamed for the Virtanen / Juolevi picks
Someone has to be blamed. It’s extremely difficult to screw up two top 6 picks in 3 years. Gross.
Then he shouldn’t get blamed for the Virtanen / Juolevi picks
Someone has to be blamed. It’s extremely difficult to screw up two top 6 picks in 3 years. Gross.
These quotes have zero to do with Benning thinking outside of his scouts..and there's evidence that Benning just went along with the Virtanen pick..Either way, Benning is ultimately responsible for the good and the bad picks under his tenure.31 Thoughts: Rogers wanted NHL trade deadline in primetime - Sportsnet.ca
Looking back at the 2015 draft, most teams concede the Canucks rated Boeser higher than anyone else. Regional scout Ted Hampson and current director of player development Ryan Johnson pushed hardest. Hampson handles Minnesota — where Boeser is from — and Johnson went to NCAA North Dakota, Boeser’s college choice. I’m not sure Vancouver was worried anyone would take him earlier than 23rd, but the Wild made them a bit nervous because it was his home state. This has turned out to be a huge steal for them.
Ben Kuzma: Delorme delivered first hard sell to get Pettersson on Canucks’ draft radar
“Ronnie saw him early and was a loud voice for him right from the start — even before any of us had seen him,” recalled Canucks general manager Jim Benning. “He was in my office and said ‘we’ve really got to watch this guy.’ He loved his skill and hockey sense.
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Scroll a bit to find the quotes of Gradin thinking the world of Nylander but Benning wanting "meat and potato" players because playoffs
not hard stuff here pastor
Garbage..you just have a bunch of flimsy conspiracy theories, that you want us to connect the dots with...Which won't fly anywhere outside of a few threads (and the 20 or so negative posters) on this board.Thanks. All this stuff (and a bunch more) have been linked countless times here and the usual suspects have seen all of it.
Nobody should have to list sources anymore for making the statement that Pettersson and Boeser were scout-driven picks.
All ‘SOURCE?’ is is a way to deflect from information they don’t want to hear and discussions they don’t want to have.
Garbage..you just have a bunch of flimsy conspiracy theories, that you want us to connect the dots with...
If you're going to make blatant against the grain comments..you better come up with some hard evidence on the contrary..Instead of screaming SOURCE? or CONSPIRACY!!! maybe try to present some evidence or argument that what I’m saying isn’t the case?
I’ve repeatedly listed a ton of evidence that Benning wasn’t sold on Pettersson but rubber-stamped a scout pick. Where is your evidence to the contrary?
He's "nailed" 2/5 first round picks in his tenure. Ooh, ahh. Outside the first round...well...I agree but someone also nailed 2 first round picks in 3 years. It’s not like fans here were unanimous with their desire for Boeser and Pettersson.
If you're going to make blatant against the grain comments..you better come up with some hard evidence on the contrary..
Your heresay, rumour mongering, connect the dots conspiracy theories won't cut it...
You know there will never be a bit of absolute proof unless someone leaks something years down the line.
But when :
1) Linden specifically credited Brackett for the work that went into the pick and didn’t mention Benning.
2) The 3 top scouts in the organization have all been credited by reliable media sources as driving or being seriously supportive of the pick.
3) Despite there being a scouting consensus, Benning said there was ‘major debate’ about the pick. If the GM and all the head scouts were on the same page, how would there be major debate? Compare with the Hughes pick when Benning and the head scouts were clearly on the same page.
4) Benning TRIED TO TRADE DOWN with Pettersson on the table. Again, he was basically sprinting for the podium when Hughes - a player he obviously wanted - was available for them to pick.
5) Benning’s is the most transparent person ever and his mannerisms and comments about the pick were just completely different from his comments about ‘Lidstrom’ Juolevi and Hughes.
6) In a media filled with hacks and shills where puff pieces are written for everything management does, there has never been a report that Benning was a driving force behind the pick.
... that’s pretty compelling. Again, no, there isn’t a smoking gun. But when there’s that much circumstantial evidence and nothing to the contrary, it’s pretty obvious what probably happened. Unless you want to stick your head in the sand and go LALALALALALALA.
Show me the quote where Benning says there was a 'major debate' about the pick.
Benning tried to acquire a 2nd round pick from LVGK (who wanted Cody Glass)..What does this have to do with Quinn Hughes falling to them?
5) We're going off Bennings mannerisms..?.right.....lol
6) Read post #253
Again, that quote has been posted here before multiple times. I’m not making it up.
Benning had no idea who Vegas wanted. He was willing to trade down.
Kuzma,Province..
"The GM also wondered if he could hit the daily double on opening night of the draft. Could he get a quality centre by swapping first-round picks and adding a second- or third-rounder by changing places?
The Vegas Golden Knights suggested swapping No. 5 and No. 6 picks to ensure they landed Glass because the Canucks also had a level of interest.
The Golden Knights also dangled a second-round pick to move up one spot because they owned three second-rounders. But they backed off when the buzz was the Canucks were going to select Pettersson.
In theory, the Canucks could have picked Pettersson sixth overall and had another second-round pick, but the Golden Knights could have also changed their minds and snagged Pettersson.
“We talked to three or four teams about moving down, but as we were doing it and going through the process, I made the decision that we didn’t want to risk losing him,” said Benning.
There's a video of the draft day that suggests that neither of the bolded above is true:
Right at the beginning Benning asks McPhee if he wants to move up a spot. McPhee comes back and tells him what pick they would give up to do so. Vegas clearly didn't suggest the swap. At 1:11, McPhee comes back to Benning to tell him they wouldn't do the deal, so clearly Benning didn't make the decision not to do the deal with Vegas, at least.
Your quote itself also suggests there was debate about the pick as the Canucks "also had a level of interest" in Glass.
At the .50 second mark Benning explains what the deal is ..and even says Pete ( "their guy")..There was a deal in place ,but Vegas caught on to who the Canucks were taking..and declined..But yes..according to the video, it appears that Benning approached McPhee (unless it was pre discussed via phone).
The Canucks flew in EP and Glass for meetings in Vancouver before the draft..According to Linden,once they met EP,it just confirmed what they already knew.
This has no relevance to MS's post claiming there was a "major debate" over picking Pettersson..In fact, quite the opposite.
He's "nailed" 2/5 first round picks in his tenure. Ooh, ahh. Outside the first round...well...
Total regular season and playoff stats for all players drafted by the Canucks from rounds 2-7 from 2014 to 2018:
Skaters: 193 games played, 13 goals, 30 assists, 116 penalty minutes, -13 cumulative +/-. Without Forsling (you know, the guy we don't have anymore) it becomes: 92 games played, 6 goals, 12 assists, 84 penalty minutes, -10 cumulative +/-.
Goalies: 2 wins, 121 minutes played, 3.47 gaa.
Yeah.
I was responding to a post that states "result is the only thing that matters" since we don't know the inner working of the management team. If thats true, then the process doesn't matter and how JB end up with Petterson/Joulevi also doesn't matter.The problem is that we have tons of media reports and evidence linking the scouting staff and specific scouts to Pettersson and Boeser and those look like staff picks the GM signed off on, while at the same time reports and evidence indicates the staff were overruled and management was driving the Virtanen/Juolevi picks.
My post is a direct quote from a credible source (Kuzma..I actually emailed him out of my own curiosity on the question)...1) If your post about Benning's recollection of the draft is relevant, then so is my post suggesting his recollection is mistaken. You can't have it both ways.
2) You carving MS all afternoon for relying on unsourced quotes and conjecture, then immediately respond to me by giving an unsourced Linden quote and extrapolating that Benning wanted Pettersson because he referred to him as "our guy" in the draft video is pretty rich.
One of the 5 is in college (but is considered one of the best prospects not in the NHL)...2 out of the remaining 4 are finalists or winners of the Calder Trophy.He's "nailed" 2/5 first round picks in his tenure. Ooh, ahh. Outside the first round...well...
Total regular season and playoff stats for all players drafted by the Canucks from rounds 2-7 from 2014 to 2018:
Skaters: 193 games played, 13 goals, 30 assists, 116 penalty minutes, -13 cumulative +/-. Without Forsling (you know, the guy we don't have anymore) it becomes: 92 games played, 6 goals, 12 assists, 84 penalty minutes, -10 cumulative +/-.
Goalies: 2 wins, 121 minutes played, 3.47 gaa.
Yeah.
My post is a direct quote from a credible source (Kuzma..I actually emailed him out of my own curiosity on the question)...
“But at the end of the day, our guys led by Judd, and the guys who had seen him the most, were adamant that he be our guy.”..Linden
I was responding to a post that states "result is the only thing that matters" since we don't know the inner working of the management team. If thats true, then the process doesn't matter and how JB end up with Petterson/Joulevi also doesn't matter.
The approach to judging Benning has to be consistent and fair. Ultimately he signs off on all the picks, so is it fair to bash him for JV and OJ but not giving him credit for signing off on EP and BB? I feel that would be unfair.
A healthy debate between the scouts is the context that is referred in the quote (would you expect anything less)...not 'management'.So I don't have a dog in this fight, because I don't think it really matters whether Benning or someone else pushed the Pettersson pick.
But... your ace in the hole is a quote where Linden pretty much outright refers to a conflict within management where Judd and other scouts were "adamant" that Pettersson would be the pick? You do realize this is essentially direct evidence of MS' suggestion that Benning rubber stamped the Pettersson pick, right?
You know there will never be a bit of absolute proof unless someone leaks something years down the line.
But when :
1) Linden specifically credited Brackett for the work that went into the pick and didn’t mention Benning.
2) The 3 top scouts in the organization have all been credited by reliable media sources as driving or being seriously supportive of the pick.
3) Despite there being a scouting consensus, Benning said there was ‘major debate’ about the pick. If the GM and all the head scouts were on the same page, how would there be major debate? Compare with the Hughes pick when Benning and the head scouts were clearly on the same page.
4) Benning TRIED TO TRADE DOWN with Pettersson on the table. Again, he was basically sprinting for the podium when Hughes - a player he obviously wanted - was available for them to pick.
5) Benning’s is the most transparent person ever and his mannerisms and comments about the pick were just completely different from his comments about ‘Lidstrom’ Juolevi and Hughes.
6) In a media filled with hacks and shills where puff pieces are written for everything management does, there has never been a report that Benning was a driving force behind the pick.
... that’s pretty compelling. Again, no, there isn’t a smoking gun. But when there’s that much circumstantial evidence and nothing to the contrary, it’s pretty obvious what probably happened. Unless you want to stick your head in the sand and go LALALALALALALA.