Speculation: Jets upcoming cap crunch

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Agreed. In a hard cap I’m completely of the mindset that you pay your most productive guys regardless of their age. Just means that you have to make hard choices and let guys go if they want longer term than you feel that they can still contribute at.

I agree.

 

[kittiecarlyle]

Nylander is a much better possession player and better defensively. Nylander is still an effective producer. Matthews is amazing yes, but Nylander also played with Hyman a lot.

Nylander actually isn't, of course he hasn't played this year so maybe he has improved. Connor has strengths that Nylander doesn't and evident if both are watched more than a handful of times.

 

[major major]

Just back of the envelope it looks easier than the Leafs cap crunch.

Pay to dump Perreault and Kulikov, let Myers go. They get replaced by Vesalainen and Niku/Stanley/Poolman, etc... That frees up enough to pay Connor $7m, Laine $10m, Trouba $7m, small raise for Tanev and a couple other RFAs. Wheeler is about $2m higher. It leaves enough flexibility so they can rent a veteran LHD at the deadline.

 

[Flair Hay]

Of course you can't keep a good young team together forever.

Key is getting Trouba signed. If he still wont sign, they can trade him for futures and that cap problem pretty much goes away.

If they do sign him to 7 or 8 mil long term, then they will have to pay to dump Kulikov and likely deal Perreault as well.

Myers obviously walks unless Trouba has to be traded.

Copp may also have to go if he wants a raise. If they want any breathing room with the cap for bonuses.

Vesalainen makes the jump eventually to replace Perreault.

Niku eventually steps into second pair on the left side.

After this they have their core signed.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Of course you can't keep a good young team together forever.

Key is getting Trouba signed. If he still wont sign, they can trade him for futures and that cap problem pretty much goes away.

If they do sign him to 7 or 8 mil long term, then they will have to pay to dump Kulikov and likely deal Perreault as well.

Myers obviously walks unless Trouba has to be traded.

Copp may also have to go if he wants a raise. If they want any breathing room with the cap for bonuses.

Vesalainen makes the jump eventually to replace Perreault.

Niku eventually steps into second pair on the left side.

After this they have their core signed.

Chicago has enough problems with Toews and Kane eating 21 million and Leafs will have Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander eating 40 million.

 

[Dustin]

Of course you can't keep a good young team together forever.

Key is getting Trouba signed. If he still wont sign, they can trade him for futures and that cap problem pretty much goes away.

If they do sign him to 7 or 8 mil long term, then they will have to pay to dump Kulikov and likely deal Perreault as well.

Myers obviously walks unless Trouba has to be traded.

Copp may also have to go if he wants a raise. If they want any breathing room with the cap for bonuses.

Vesalainen makes the jump eventually to replace Perreault.

Niku eventually steps into second pair on the left side.

After this they have their core signed.

My money is on Trouba being traded this off season.

 

[Snowman]

Chicago has enough problems with Toews and Kane eating 21 million and Leafs will have Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander eating 40 million.

I think even Leaf fans knew, as most others did, that signing Tavares was actually a pretty big mistake. Typical GM getting caught up in the excitement of FA day. They'll be trying to come up with all kinds of ways to dump that contract in a couple years.

 

[StreetHawk]

Of course you can't keep a good young team together forever.

Key is getting Trouba signed. If he still wont sign, they can trade him for futures and that cap problem pretty much goes away.

If they do sign him to 7 or 8 mil long term, then they will have to pay to dump Kulikov and likely deal Perreault as well.

Myers obviously walks unless Trouba has to be traded.

Copp may also have to go if he wants a raise. If they want any breathing room with the cap for bonuses.

Vesalainen makes the jump eventually to replace Perreault.

Niku eventually steps into second pair on the left side.

After this they have their core signed.

People talk about the nhl middle class players being squeezed out. I think what happens is that the top teams won’t have middle class players. These are the guys they have to move out to bring in elc or lower cost players. Middle class guys will end up on weaker teams as they are building to get their money.

 

[member 147413]

Chicago has enough problems with Toews and Kane eating 21 million and Leafs will have Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander eating 40 million.

Having a lot of good players isn’t a bad problem to have. You have to pay good players. People love this cap crunch drama. Tampa, Winnipeg, Toronto don’t have many issues if they can sign their stars.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

It's almost as if different people have different opinions!

I know right? Such a pain. We should have one guy from each fanbase elected to post to the mainboards. That way everyone knows what all Jets fans really think.

 

[therealkoho]

so my question is of the two Jets Connor/Laine, which one sits past December 1st 2019

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Having a lot of good players isn’t a bad problem to have. You have to pay good players. People love this cap crunch drama. Tampa, Winnipeg, Toronto don’t have many issues if they can sign their stars.

Dismiss it as much as you want but spending such a large amount of the cap to just a couple of players will make it impossible to have great depth and that is something a cup winning team needs.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Trouba is likely gone. They will need to replace him but maybe they can within? Dont know much about their prospects.

 

[57special]

They will get rid of Myers, Perrault, Kulikov...

Like...kill them?

 

[57special]

They have a worse cap crunch than TOR, but people here only crave Toronto being dismantled.

Oh, a thread wouldn't be complete without a self pitying mention of TOR.

Sheesh, give it a rest!

 

[McDLT]

Like...kill them?

Send them to play out their careers on some bubble team.

 

[Cor]

Oh, a thread wouldn't be complete without a self pitying mention of TOR.

Sheesh, give it a rest!

It's not a self pitying mention. It's a fact.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Chicago has enough problems with Toews and Kane eating 21 million and Leafs will have Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander eating 40 million.

Toews was never worth 10.5m, but Chicago's problems are not related to paying their star players that much money. Their problem is that the majority of their star players either got traded, got old, or fell off a cliff in effectiveness.

 

[shakes]

I love the optimistic "Oh, just bridge so and so". As we have seen as Leaf fans, you can't just force a player to sign the contact you want. Not saying it won't happen or that the situation would play out exactly the same way but people should maybe temper their belief of the "easy" bridge deals...

 

[Lenerdosy]

well, I hope that they can keep it together and the Leafs can to, it would be a fun rivalry to watch unfold

Unfortunately these young guys getting massive second contracts are really going to do a number on both teams depth it seems. Its too bad really, good young blossoming teams might have to start gutting their teams for more ELC players or picks just to stay competitive once the big stars get their paydays.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

You'd think Trouba (5.5), Myers (5.5) and Perrault (4.5) are all gone after this year.

Now it's up to the prospects and organizational depth of WPG to fill those voids. Jacob Trouba will be very hard to replace and even Tyler Myers is pretty underrated.

 

[57special]

It's not a self pitying mention. It's a fact.

Just leave the thread, and go to the TOR board. This is about WPG.
It's not that hard.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Unfortunately these young guys getting massive second contracts are really going to do a number on both teams depth it seems. Its too bad really, good young blossoming teams might have to start gutting their teams for more ELC players or picks just to stay competitive once the big stars get their paydays.

Agreed, both the Jets and Leafs are getting that great young talent at the wrong time in terms of the evolution of the trend of younger players getting paid earlier in the cap system. Both teams are going to have to be really good at drafting and developing to stay in contention. I do think there's a sweet spot if they manage to keep producing passable talent, if system replacements can be found for guys who have some trade value when they're coming up to new contracts, those guys can be parlayed into more than what was given up to get them, then if that return can be efficiently developed it can sort of perpetuate but it all hinges on really good drafting and development

I think the Leafs are about to start a cycle like this with Brown and Hyman, they will be the next group wanting raises and it looks like we have system replacements ready. Winnipeg might do it in a bigger scale with guys like Connor and Roslovic if they're capable of replacing the Little/Wheeler ilk. I think it's critical to not let those older guys walk away for nothing - let them all play together for a while and let the team peak, when the cap crunch hits deal the older guys for the best futures package, then develop those futures so you can do the same thing with the next generation

 

[Cor]

Just leave the thread, and go to the TOR board. This is about WPG.
It's not that hard.

You know the OP mentions the Toronto cap crunch in his post right?

I agree, it's not that hard