GDT: Jets @ Sharks 7:30pm

[Pavelski2112]

Are they playing as poorly as the box score suggests?

Arguably worse.

Both teams started out sloppy. The Jets tightened up, the Sharks didn't.

 

[KirbyDots]

I find this to be a bit rich. Claiming that management hasn't given PDB "useful 4th liners" when he always responds to criticism of 3rd pairing and 4th liners by saying "if you're worried about the 4th line..."

Yes sir! That's just what we need, Kev. Not another top 6 that would allow us to play our choice of Goodrow, Sorensen, or Melker on the 4th while giving us scoring depth and insurance for the possibility that someone like Hertl is injured, as inconceivable as that is. Nah, f*** that shit. Let's get more 4th liners!

 

[WSS11]

I find it hard to believe that choosing to play Heed over Gregor is nepotism.

No but Radil taking his spot for a few games was an absolute head scratching move

 

[The Nemesis]

what on earth as Gregor done wrong? As soon as he started playing well he got sent down. It’s just nepotism really

This is something I'm on board with. It was said when Gregor was sent down that he had 0 points and a -6 in his 10 games. But the problem isn't that Gregor was pointless. Every 4th liner has had crap offensive totals this season. Hell, a ton of the team even beyond the 4th line has crap offensive totals relative to what we should be able to expect from them (and, tying into what I said earlier, as much as certain people want to blame the players for not playing up to par instead of the coach: If 2 or 3 players were underperforming that's on them. If 10+ players are underperforming, there's a bigger reason in play. A reason that seems like it might be standing behind the bench with an often-unreadable expression on his face, and his BFF powerplay flunkie)

The problem is that Gregor showed speed and hustle and at least has a history of offensive production that suggests he could break out. At this point that heady early play from Radil last year looks like a mirage, and we all know what Melker and Goodrow and the like bring to the team. Bergmann, like Gregor may not have had the stats, but he had the high energy/effort eye test positives. If we're going to ice a 4th line that can't score for crap, at least ice a 4th line that skates hard and can possibly make something happen.

 

[WSS11]

This is something I'm on board with. It was said when Gregor was sent down that he had 0 points and a -6 in his 10 games. But the problem isn't that Gregor was pointless. Every 4th liner has had crap offensive totals this season. Hell, a ton of the team even beyond the 4th line has crap offensive totals relative to what we should be able to expect from them (and, tying into what I said earlier, as much as certain people want to blame the players for not playing up to par instead of the coach: If 2 or 3 players were underperforming that's on them. If 10+ players are underperforming, there's a bigger reason in play. A reason that seems like it might be standing behind the bench with an often-unreadable expression on his face, and his BFF powerplay flunkie)

The problem is that Gregor showed speed and hustle and at least has a history of offensive production that suggests he could break out. At this point that heady early play from Radil last year looks like a mirage, and we all know what Melker and Goodrow and the like bring to the team. Bergmann, like Gregor may not have had the stats, but he had the high energy/effort eye test positives. If we're going to ice a 4th line that can't score for crap, at least ice a 4th line that skates hard and can possibly make something happen.

yep. What was the fourth line last game vs the Jets? Brodzinski-Gambrell-Bergmann? Why did we go away from that? It was very effective

 

[JeremyTB]

Ferraro has been our only consistant Dman this season and he is a 21 year old rookie.

 

[NWSharkie]

The one thing that makes that different is that the Leafs had a ready-to-go highly thought of coaching alternative already in their system. Keefe has been eyeballed as an NHL head coach for several years now.

This doesn't invalidate everything I said about the risk of rolling the dice on a new coach and the worth of doing it even if you fall flat on your face. But the Leafs were absolutely in as good of a position as you could be in this situation, so comparing what they've done to expectations that the Sharks would (or even could) do the same is a big risk (though I feel like I'm using "risk" in a pretty overblown sense here).

I mean, the Sharks have Boughner already on the bench with NHL HC experience. It's a shit ton safer than being in the position St. Louis was in last year, let alone whatever's going on in Calgary right now

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

Ferraro has been our only consistant Dman this season and he is a 21 year old rookie.

burns has been shit again.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Can't even pass tonight

 

[The Nemesis]

yep. What was the fourth line last game vs the Jets? Brodzinski-Gambrell-Bergmann? Why did we go away from that? It was very effective

Because Pete would rather lose with underperforming guys he's familiar and comfortable with than maybe win with underperforming guys he has no idea what to expect out of.

He has a bunch of games to know what to expect (or pretend to expect) out of Radil, but no track record with Gregor or Bergmann or whoever.

It's kind of like him pushing Goodrow up to 2C in Hertl's absence becuase he has a ton of games where Goody centered the 4th line. Meanwhile Gambrell gets stuck on the wing because reasons, even though Goodrow and Gambrell's best stretches this season were when they were shifted from center to the wing and wing back to center respectively.

I know this gets talked about in other sports (like football coaches' allergic-level avoidance of going for it on 4th down or rigid insistence that there are only a limited number of "right times" to go for 2 after a TD), but coaches often seem more like they're failure-avoidant than success-seeking if we define failure and success in terms of personal coaching failures and successes (and not necessarily team outcomes). They would rather fail making a decision they can defend as "the way it's supposed to be done" or that they can justify with familiar logic than try something unintuitive to them or that risks them looking foolish if it blows up in their faces.

Pete would rather ice Radil on the 4th line and Goodrow at 2C because he can talk all day about how those are decisions he's made before and how the team has had some successes in those situations instead of going for the different choices that won't be as easily shrugged off with "but I made all the 'right' moves, sometimes it doesn't work."

 

[fasterthanlight]

cool

 

[The Nemesis]

loooool penalty shot. of course.

 

[NWSharkie]

You're really calling a penalty shot for the weakest hooking call ever? Holy shit

 

[The Nemesis]

Best save Dell's made all night.

 

[drunksage]

Cut my life into pieces...

 

[Nighthock]

Never heard a pre-Thanksgiving hangover...

 

[WSS11]

You're really calling a penalty shot for the weakest hooking call ever? Holy ****

that’s on Dillon for shooting into the shin pads of another Jets forward sitting high waiting for another point shot. This team is so easy to scout it’s a joke at this point

 

[NWSharkie]

The Sharks' forward support in all 3 zones is inexcusable. How many times have Karlsson or Burns been left with nobody to pass to within 80 feet?

 

[The Nemesis]

Cut my life into pieces...

Nothing's alright. Nothing is fine.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Come on, just lose this game already so I can get back to playing Outer Worlds.

 

[NWSharkie]

that’s on Dillon for shooting into the shin pads of another Jets forward sitting high waiting for another point shot. This team is so easy to scout it’s a joke at this point

I've noticed in the last few weeks, the opposing RW has been pushing up high to cover that point-to-point pass even before our RD receives the puck to move it over. I'd love to see them adjust that play, maybe have the RD push down the wing instead of just winging it over

 

[seroes]

Well we suck tonight. I think I'm out.

 

[JeremyTB]

Another Sh**y PP coming up.

 

[Pavelski2112]

Just keep passing from point to point, that'll work.

 

[JeremyTB]

Stop with that setup to Couture. He hasn't scored from there in ages.