Player Discussion Jesse Puljujarvi Part XII | The King of the Bison Now Needs to Conquer Goalies Too!

[nabob]

Not sure how you took away from that post that I was holding a grudge. I simply stated it seems unlikely that Pulj would revert back to public trade demands

I'm also aware of waviers, I was responding to another poster's desire to punish Puljujarvi in the event he did decide to go that route and why it would be a bad idea for the organization; not whether it was possible.

Maybe I read too much into it. No idea why someone would talk about him doing that with the angst you seemed to unless they were still upset about last time. My bad

 

[nabob]

Like Ill admit, I was super harsh on the guy when he first came in [likely due to the hyperbole from fanboys and how he's supposed to replace Hall offensively and couldn't live up to it]. Coupled with him being a douche about deployment when he clearly wasn't ready and took his tail back to Finland, really hard to being a fan of the player.

When he came back and seemingly 'figured it out', gave a lot of Oilers fans hope.

But then now we get this. He's not really doing much of anything regardless of what fancy stats are showing. His forecheck amounts to him just throwing the puck away within 5s and what real boardwork has he shown though? Like its better than his rookie year but that's a low bar to compare.

wow there is a lot of hyperbole to unpack here. I didn’t realize that even his biggest supporters or “fanboys” as you’d say were. Maiming that he’d step right in as the youngest player in pro North American hockey and replace Taylor Hall…maybe your anger should be directed at the GM instead of at Puljujarvi or his fans…

I guess some fans got spoiled by McDavid and Drai and immediately expect PPG seasons from draft picks or they consider them busts. If you set your own unrealistic expectations and they don’t get met, don’t hate the player, or the fans that support that player…

 

[McShogun99]

Trading JP will be a huge mistake unless he's part of a deal for a young starting goalie. He's young and on a cheap contract and can easily be put on any line and be effective. It would be like trading Ryan Strome all over again. A defensively responsible player that's snake bit. If this team needs the extra cap space next season then you trade Kassian, Foegele and Barrie before you trade JP.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Not sure how you took away from that post that I was holding a grudge.

It's a common tactic by that person

 

[Barrsy]

He wouldn’t be in the minors because he’d never clear waivers. You’re really holding onto that grudge hard from him going to Finland for a year eh?

Why is the common refrain is that someone holds a "grudge"?

 

[Barrsy]

Claiming that JP won’t go to the dirty areas is kinda funny. He earns every penny on his pay with his forecheck and board work. Where he struggles is when he has time and space with the puck because his puck skills and offensive hockey IQ are very limited.

Fixed it.

 

[frag2]

wow there is a lot of hyperbole to unpack here. I didn’t realize that even his biggest supporters or “fanboys” as you’d say were. Maiming that he’d step right in as the youngest player in pro North American hockey and replace Taylor Hall…maybe your anger should be directed at the GM instead of at Puljujarvi or his fans…

I guess some fans got spoiled by McDavid and Drai and immediately expect PPG seasons from draft picks or they consider them busts. If you set your own unrealistic expectations and they don’t get met, don’t hate the player, or the fans that support that player…

Way to be super dramatic but not surprising coming from you WRT Puljujarvi. He's never at fault in yours and select fans' eyes. Just ultra defensive.

Like I said, I dont really hate the player [though admittedly super irked with his behavior once he bolted back to Finland], I just dont know where he fits on the team long term. I dont think anyone is expecting him to be a ppg player but it'd be nice if a top 5 pick would become a consistent 50-60 pt player.

But you do you

Why is the common refrain is that someone holds a "grudge"?

It's like Omark fans in the past, just can't debate in good faith

 

[LaGu]

Difference is Omark was/is bit of a prick tbh. Puljujarvi seems to be a really nice guy, easy to like

 

[Patty Ice]

Trading JP will be a huge mistake unless he's part of a deal for a young starting goalie

How does a JP for Adin Hill deal sound?

 

[Macheteops]

No I wouldn't. That was a stupid, stupid penalty at a crucial time. Yamamoto has become a beloved mascot of the team, but stats clearly show he gets very little done. Just looks good, if you like small and feisty men.

Pretty sure you just described Pulju. He is pretty much just a goofy mascot at this point.

I have a lot more faith in Yamamoto producing going forward. There is a reason why Pulju is getting 5 mins a game just not sure why it took so long

 

[thadd]

I'm surprised how much support Puljujarvi gets.
For all the good things you can say about him, his potential is wasted.
If Puljujarvi actually shot the puck as often as he should, used his body weight half as well as Yamamoto does and made decisions as fast as your average NHLer, i'd easily be a top 10 player in the league.

But that's not who he is.
Whenever I'm paying attention to his play it looks shy and absent minded most of the time.

We really don't need him.
If letting go of Puljujujarvi allows us to somehow hold onto all of the other players on our team (except Kos), then I'm all for trading him away for a 2nd rounder.

Pretty sure you just described Pulju. He is pretty much just a goofy mascot at this point.

I have a lot more faith in Yamamoto producing going forward. There is a reason why Pulju is getting 5 mins a game just not sure why it took so long

Yamamoto should have scored twice as many goals as Puljujarvi this year. There were a billion times he was in a prime scoring spot and he missed the net or something unlucky happened. His luck quickly changed after we got Woodcroft promoted.

 

[Barrsy]

How does a JP for Adin Hill deal sound?

Hill is no good at all. Similar to the Korpisalo lunacy

 

[The Safe Play]

I'd love to hear the people wanting to trade Puljujärvi explain how every center's offence increases when JP is with them compared to when he isn't.

I feel like at this point people just hate the way he looks on the ice and so would rather get rid of really good player.

Reminds me of that great scene in Moneyball about Chad Bradford and his weird pitching style and how insanely undervalued he was.

 

[Barrsy]

I'd love to hear the people wanting to trade Puljujärvi explain how every center's offence increases when JP is with them compared to when he isn't.

I feel like at this point people just hate the way he looks on the ice and so would rather get rid of really good player.

Reminds me of that great scene in Moneyball about Chad Bradford and his weird pitching style and how insanely undervalued he was.

Yes, its amazing that every coach he plays for doesn't want to play him nearly as much as his acolytes & the stats guys think he should get. Its a real headshaker.
What coach are we on now?

 

[The Safe Play]

Yes, its amazing that every coach he plays for doesn't want to play him nearly as much as his acolytes & the stats guys think he should get. Its a real headshaker.
What coach are we on now?

I didn't mention anything about the coach?

 

[syz]

Puljujarvi would win 9 out of 10 board battles this year before he hurt himself scoring a goal. My main concern about him remains already having a history with hip injuries early in his career.

 

[Dorian2]

I dunno. He ain't cuttin' the mustard right now.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Puljujarvi would win 9 out of 10 board battles this year before he hurt himself scoring a goal. My main concern about him remains already having a history with hip injuries early in his career.

His AHL coach called out his puck protection skills. In the Worlds(i think, some international tourny)prelims, i watched him lose EVERY single board play in the 3rd. No exaggeration. He was then cut from the team, and it's not like team Finland was stacked.

So the injury theory doesn't add up when you've watched his weak board skills for 5 years

 

[MettleMcOiler]

His english has gotten so much better. I have lots of respect for someone able to learn another language. I woudn't even know how to say Hi, in Finnish.
And It's take longer than others.

He's figured out how to contribute for his lines while still developing his scoring production.

He's not a finished product , but he is an NHL player. As a fan, I have been happy with him on this team.
I think he should be very proud of what he has accomplished so far in his career, and he's only going to keep getting better.
Considering what he has brought to the table this season, it's been on a valued contract.

He shouldn't worry about all the naysayers. He will be valuable for any team.
I think he's still adjusting here but once he does, his production will probably balanced out to his potential.

Keep doing you, Puljujarvi! Cheering for you!

 

[nabob]

Way to be super dramatic but not surprising coming from you WRT Puljujarvi. He's never at fault in yours and select fans' eyes. Just ultra defensive.

Like I said, I dont really hate the player [though admittedly super irked with his behavior once he bolted back to Finland], I just dont know where he fits on the team long term. I dont think anyone is expecting him to be a ppg player but it'd be nice if a top 5 pick would become a consistent 50-60 pt player.

But you do you


It's like Omark fans in the past, just can't debate in good faith

Your entire post was dramatic hyperbole and you whine about others not debating in good faith hahahaha

Why is the common refrain is that someone holds a "grudge"?

Because he’s making up a scenario that hasn’t happened to have something to complain about lol.

 

[Macheteops]

I didn't mention anything about the coach?

Obviously not it doesn’t support your narrative. Woodcroft knows what he has in Pulju and that’s why you see him at 5 mins of ice-time. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as a healthy scratch for game 7

 

[Tarus]

Maybe I read too much into it. No idea why someone would talk about him doing that with the angst you seemed to unless they were still upset about last time. My bad

Considering I was responding to someone who wanted to destroy JP's career if he decided to go down the trade demand route again, I suspect the "angst" I displayed in entertaining his speculation would be a pale imitation of the hatred Puljujarvi would actually inspire if the proposed scenario came to fruition this offseason.

 

[frag2]

Your entire post was dramatic hyperbole and you whine about others not debating in good faith hahahaha


Because he’s making up a scenario that hasn’t happened to have something to complain about lol.

Coming from you, that’s rich. Always antagonistic when someone criticizes Puljujarvi. Again, you do you. Have a nice day

 

[nabob]

Coming from you, that’s rich. Always antagonistic when someone criticizes Puljujarvi. Again, you do you. Have a nice day

Only when it’s terrible hyperbole like every post you’ve made in this thread lastly. hell I criticized his puck skills in a post just earlier today. But it appears as usual you’ve chosen ignorance

 

[Kaptah2]

Pretty sure you just described Pulju. He is pretty much just a goofy mascot at this point.

I have a lot more faith in Yamamoto producing going forward. There is a reason why Pulju is getting 5 mins a game just not sure why it took so long

Yamamoto has produced 0.471 PPG this season while Pulju has produced 0.535. All the other stats are way more lopsided to Pulju's favour. A vocal minority is putting way too much weight on Yamamoto's little heater.

I wish there was a possibility to bet which one will have more points in his career.