Player Discussion Jesperi Kotkaniemi Part 16

[Miller Time]

And what's not pointed out is whether KK was a driver or a passenger with those 5 points.

luckily, since you don't watch the games, others have and kindly took the time to answer the question for you...

The maturation of Jesperi Kotkaniemi

"Then, Kotkaniemi’s vision opened the scoring for Montreal, as his partnership with Artturi Lehkonen paid off. While in full stride through the neutral zone Kotkaniemi took a feed from Jeff Petry, blew by Jesse Puljujarvi and entered the Oilers zone with ease. From there he didn’t hold up and try to find a seam, Kotkaniemi pulled the puck back as he drifted across the slot, drawing an Oilers defender out of position. Once he read that he fed a pass to Lehkonen who easily flicked the puck over Mike Smith’s shoulder to open the scoring."

 

[Habs Icing]

How is it laughable? His skating has barely improved and he takes too long to make decisions with the puck on his stick. His shot is hard but he can’t release it before a defender gets a stick on the puck or telegraph it so much the goalie has no trouble saving it. I expect the strength to increase and not to fall over all the time, but the other two are not going to get much better if at all. To me it indicates a flawed 2nd line centre. If you’re happy with that, fine. To me it’s two disappointments by Timmins at 3rd overall. It’s inexcusable, combined with the constant 1st round failures from 2010-2017.

Can't like this post enough!

 

[Miller Time]

If he starts showing something consistently, and they continue to hold him back, then you’d have an argument.

But as of now, it’s on him to show more consistently.

you could've saved some time by simply replying "No" to his question.

 

[Habs Icing]

Thought that that was the proposition that fell thru, speculative of course.

Suzuki for PLD? That's It? And they refused KK? Hmmmmm.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If he starts showing something consistently, and they continue to hold him back, then you’d have an argument.

You mean like in his first season when he was playing really well and we inexplicably declared that he was tired and then cut his minutes?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

you could've saved some time by simply replying "No" to his question.

So you’re arguing a hypothetical? I’m dealing with the here and now.

 

[David Suzuki]

Back to the wing!

 

[Zorba]

luckily, since you don't watch the games, others have and kindly took the time to answer the question for you...

The maturation of Jesperi Kotkaniemi

"Then, Kotkaniemi’s vision opened the scoring for Montreal, as his partnership with Artturi Lehkonen paid off. While in full stride through the neutral zone Kotkaniemi took a feed from Jeff Petry, blew by Jesse Puljujarvi and entered the Oilers zone with ease. From there he didn’t hold up and try to find a seam, Kotkaniemi pulled the puck back as he drifted across the slot, drawing an Oilers defender out of position. Once he read that he fed a pass to Lehkonen who easily flicked the puck over Mike Smith’s shoulder to open the scoring."

Lol. One example. 6 pts in 24 and you show one bloody good play. Lol. Show me Byrons highlights as well. Since he has more points in the last 17

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

You mean like in his first season when he was playing really well and we inexplicably declared that he was tired and then cut his minutes?

He started out looking great- made the team to most people’s surprise. But he hit a wall. He’s basically been staring at that wall for 3 years.

 

[DAChampion]

You mean like in his first season when he was playing really well and we inexplicably declared that he was tired and then cut his minutes?

Unless Bergevin is fired, the same thing will happen to Caulfield.

 

[Kriss E]

Lol...they never learn.

 

[angusyoung]

Suzuki for PLD? That's It? And they refused KK? Hmmmmm.

That was the rumor,true though?

 

[le_sean]

20 years old.

Yet you seem to think 2 areas of improvement that are extremely elastic are somehow set in stone for him... & ground your criticism and frustration in that poor assessment.

That's what's laughable

Name me players that were bad skaters that became good ones. People have this idea that every single aspect of a player’s game can improve. It’s not the case. Skating is the most difficult part after decision-making. And the improvement is more about technique and not expending more energy rather than actual acceleration and top speed. They are not elastic whatsoever, to claim them as such is ridiculous.

Look at Gallagher. You don’t think he would have improved his skating by now? It’s the same as it always has been. Countless examples. Galchenyuk too. His biggest flaw, along with not moving his feet when stick handling. Hasn’t improved whatsoever. Do you think he’s unaware that it needs to improve? That he’s oblivious? Or is it more likely that he’s incapable?

 

[Miller Time]

So you’re arguing a hypothetical? I’m dealing with the here and now.

Right now, what you suggested is flat out wrong... applied to JKO or anyone else.

 

[Miller Time]

Lol. One example. 6 pts in 24 and you show one bloody good play. Lol. Show me Byrons highlights as well. Since he has more points in the last 17

well, if you can read, the post i replied to asked the question as to wether the 5 points in question were JKO as "driver or passenger". I simply provide some evidence to help out a poster who clearly doesn't watch the games.

Posting a reply without reading or understanding the post you are replying to is not something i can help you with...

 

[Zorba]

well, if you can read, the post i replied to asked the question as to wether the 5 points in question were JKO as "driver or passenger". I simply provide some evidence to help out a poster who clearly doesn't watch the games.

Posting a reply without reading or understanding the post you are replying to is not something i can help you with...

He was a driver once. Lol. You literally post the only good thing he’s done. Wow. Nice set up to leks. Oh then disappeared in Calgary and last night was on his ass more than he was upright

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

Why not Plecky was pretty good. If he can be a similar player that's fine.

Nope. That's not fine. If he's the best of what we have in the young players/prospects pool and that he turns out to be a Plekanec, we're in for years of mediocrity. And I'm being generous.

 

[Habby4Life]

That was the rumor,true though?

Im sure it was NS +

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

Can see why Columbus wanted Suzuki in the PLD deal now.

Everybody was outraged at the price to pay for Dubois. But I, for one, didn't see the reason. It was a pretty fair price to pay, and to this day, I can't say I wouldn't have done it. Can't say I would have done it neither though.

But a 6'3, 220 pound C with elite two-way abilities could certainly help us right about now.

 

[Miller Time]

Name me players that were bad skaters that became good ones. People have this idea that every single aspect of a player’s game can improve. It’s not the case. Skating is the most difficult part after decision-making. And the improvement is more about technique and not expending more energy rather than actual acceleration and top speed. They are not elastic whatsoever, to claim them as such is ridiculous.

Look at Gallagher. You don’t think he would have improved his skating by now? It’s the same as it always has been. Countless examples. Galchenyuk too. His biggest flaw, along with not moving his feet when stick handling. Hasn’t improved whatsoever. Do you think he’s unaware that it needs to improve? That he’s oblivious? Or is it more likely that he’s incapable?

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look, i get it... taking the time to actually understand what you are posting about is not as fun as just spouting off groundless takes that suit a pre-conceived narrative...

but if you have no experience or understanding of athlete development, than at the bare minimum, take a minute or two to let google answer your questions before posting silly nonensense. Just makes the takes look that much more laughable,

 

[angusyoung]

Nope. That's not fine. If he's the best of what we have in the young players/prospects pool and that he turns out to be a Plekanec, we're in for years of mediocrity. And I'm being generous.

But that was the deal, the expectations of Suzuki is a comparable to Plecky.

 

[Zorba]

Everybody was outraged at the price to pay for Dubois. But I, for one, didn't see the reason. It was a pretty fair price to pay, and to this day, I can't say I wouldn't have done it. Can't say I would have done it neither though.

But a 6'3, 220 pound C with elite two-way abilities could certainly help us right about now.

He’s no better than suzuki. We’d still only have one centre. You wanted a one, two of pld and Suzuki. Nkt pld and kk. Would still be shit now

 

[Miller Time]

He was a driver once. Lol. You literally post the only good thing he’s done. Wow. Nice set up to leks. Oh then disappeared in Calgary and last night was on his ass more than he was upright

well, actually he would have "disappeared" in ~12 of those 17 games... try to keep up will ya

 

[angusyoung]

Im sure there it was NS +

Maybe a pick? or a prospect,big deal. KK was not gonna make the deal happen no matter what, they did not want him.

 

[salbutera]

Name me players that were bad skaters that became good ones. People have this idea that every single aspect of a player’s game can improve. It’s not the case. Skating is the most difficult part after decision-making. And the improvement is more about technique and not expending more energy rather than actual acceleration and top speed. They are not elastic whatsoever, to claim them as such is ridiculous.

Look at Gallagher. You don’t think he would have improved his skating by now? It’s the same as it always has been. Countless examples. Galchenyuk too. His biggest flaw, along with not moving his feet when stick handling. Hasn’t improved whatsoever. Do you think he’s unaware that it needs to improve? That he’s oblivious? Or is it more likely that he’s incapable?

Brayden Point...which is why he fell to the 3rd round. Right after being drafted he was sent to work with Barb Underhill to improve overall skating - edgework + acceleration. Points skating from his rookie year to now has jumped leaps & bounds - Underhill reinvented his entire stride.

Having said that, can KKs skating make such a significant improvement? Not sure..

I’m more concerned about his shot (or lack thereof), starting to look to me like it’s only there for practice when he has all the time & space needed