Never saw it and doesn't really have anything to do with what many posters are saying in this thread. Obviously punching someone for throwing a jersey is replacing one juvenile (and criminal in the case of punching) action for another. I am all for freedom of speech but I think we all owe it to each other to behave appropriately in large public gatherings. Hockey is just a game although I think sometimes psychiatrists would disagree.
Well you certainly like to connect the dots in a manner that suits you. I'm not the one playing devil's advocate with the entire board. I did refer to you specifically but not to be condescending or argumentative. I thought it was a stretch connecting people who disagree with littering the ice and violence against those who do so. Anyways you know my stance, I'll leave you to it.
Do I need to?
Oh boo hoo. I'm not in America (your purposely incorrect spelling is as much a "political" comment as anything I said).
You think all 17000 people saw him?
I guarantee he did it in as sneaky a manner as possible.
Do I need to? Oh boo hoo. I'm not in America (your purposely incorrect spelling is as much a "political" comment as anything I said).
You think all 17000 people saw him?
As for the chat name, if I was there and saw him do it, I'd be happy to call him out right to his face. And then I'd laugh my ass off that he was too drunk and too stupid to remember to take his phone out of the pocket before he made his big "statement". Satisfied now?
Do I need to? Oh boo hoo. I'm not in America (your purposely incorrect spelling is as much a "political" comment as anything I said).
You think all 17000 people saw him?
As for the chat name, if I was there and saw him do it, I'd be happy to call him out right to his face. And then I'd laugh my ass off that he was too drunk and too stupid to remember to take his phone out of the pocket before he made his big "statement". Satisfied now?
That's the way I see it. Whats next. Confronting somebody for hauling off clothes they don't want to goodwill? "Wow, you're throwing stuff away how ignorant and juvenile".
jebus, this is old hat by now. The org actually collects these Jerseys and donates them to Charities so people that can't afford one can have one. So jersey tossing is actually an action that in the end goes to be of service to those less fortunate. So whats wrong with that?
Maybe the Oilers could play with this and have a Cardboard bin in the concourse with a sign saying "How was your game experience, please discard your no longer needed jersey here, have a good day and maybe we'll see you in the new arena, maybe not.."
And I'm sure the phone will go to an unemployed mom/dad just trying to make ends meet. I'm sure the mature respectful gentleman/woman was very aware of this community service they were sacrificing their belongings to. Oh yah, lets not forget this
Excuse me? You call me out at random because I failed to address a particular post in the thread. I'm not exactly new to the message board game. I think I know how it works. I get to respond to the posts I feel like responding to, not the posts Replacement thinks I should be responding to. So when, trying to be non-confrontational out of respect for our prior posting history, I simply ask you "do I need to" do that, you come back and call me "unpleasant". Are you kidding me here or what?
You know what sir, you are right. I was probably too emphatic in my characterization of the thrower's behavior. I stand corrected.
In what manner? Isn't it you now being presumptive? If buddy gets to throw a jersey on the ice, are you saying I don't get to say "well done there ********. You sure showed them"?
Good grief. Really? I'm not even going to dignify that pitiful line of reasoning with any further comment.Whats next. Confronting somebody for hauling off clothes they don't want to goodwill? "Wow, you're throwing stuff away how ignorant and juvenile".
Again, really? Are you attempting to attribute some sort of charitable motivation to this pinhead's behavior?
) from way up high in the cheap seats. Any goodwill that accrues to that gesture of stupidity is thanks to the Oilers, not him. But I presume you knew that before you started arguing the opposite.What I should have said was that the thrower most certainly did not walk down to the glass (where he could be observed by the umpteen cameras in the building, and all 17000 other paying patrons) and throw his sweater over boards with the appropriate accompanying Jerry Seinfeld hand gesture of disgust. Had he done that I would still think he was a disrespectful idiot, but at least he would be a disrespectful idiot who is willing to have his face associated with his "grand gestures".
I have two further points if you would be so kind as to indulge me.
One; in my experience (thirty plus years of attending sporting events and concerts etc), people who throw things at public events are usually liquored up to the gills. I tend to have a very low opinion of people who think public intoxication is cool. Equating a jersey toss on opening night with people throwing hats when someone scores a hat trick is very simple-minded (and something I would have thought was beneath the level of adult reasoning and debate) because one is a socially accepted tradition, while the other is an attempt to ridicule a crest that a lot of people feel very passionately about.
Two; I dislike people who think they are the most important pebble on the beach. In the act of tossing a jersey there is a disdain for ones fellow patrons (some of whom certainly feel quite differently than the thrower) and an attempt to denigrate the players on the ice (who obviously won't be happy about it). There is also an underlying implication that the thrower believes he is entitled to more than a seat. None of us are owed a damn thing by the Oilers. Not even first tier fans. We are guaranteed a sixty minute sporting contest, with no suggestion that we will be satisfied with the outcome. That's it. If one doesn't like the product s/he is free to spend his/her entertainment dollars elsewhere. Lord knows there is no shortage of choices in North America. In short, being a fan and buying a ticket does not give a person the right to act like a spoiled child if they are unhappy with the product.
In what manner? Isn't it you now being presumptive? If buddy gets to throw a jersey on the ice, are you saying I don't get to say "well done there ********. You sure showed them"?
I'll tell you what. If someone no longer wants their jersey, no longer wants to support the Oilers as a fan, and is civic minded (and sober) enough to think about the less fortunate then here's what they should do. They should send their jersey to the Oilers office with a letter enclosed saying that their sense of entitlement can no longer bear the shame of wearing this item. They can go on to castigate the team for nepotism, incompetence and general stupidity. Get it all off their chest. And ask that the item be recycled or given away to a fan in need. That would allow them to have their say, ensure that it was actually heard by the Oilers, and help someone else who may not be able to afford a jersey.
But no, buddy had six beers and tossed his jersey (and phone
I meant the entire post, not your specific response to me. But I did find it odd what gets critiqued on this thread. The most obvious thing meriting critical reply is somebody saying they will punch somebody in the jaw in response to the tossing of a jersey. Also, pay attention to the intended (and stated) semantics and meaning. "That's" kind of unpleasant is a pronoun that denotes the post, not you as an individual, lets be clear on that sir.
I don't attribute alcohol to the act. Perhaps I should. I've tended to think of this as an intentional act.
This I don't get at all. I view the throwing of a jersey as a statement. An act that says I'm done with this, don't need the jersey anymore. For people to get upset at such an act is incomprehensible to me. How could anybody take it so seriously that they would get steamed about it. Again its a hockey jersey, its not a flag. Theres no actual or implied allegiance. Its a brand, nothing more.
Actually you're being presumptive here, sorry, but your ascribing a series of attributes, mores, lack of values and judgement based on one act. If you step back from this you can see that.
Aha. Because several posters including yourself are jumping to several conclusions about person(s) based on one act. Your ascribing even with the comment pinhead. If I wanted I could hilite the 25 instances in your post where you are assuming. I simply responded with what actually occurs. Of course I'm not ascribing moral character to the specific act but in actuality the act results in donation. That's not a stretch. Throw your jersey on the ice at Rexall and it will go to a charitable org. This has been stated before.
Short of an essay same result. Same message.
You don't know this.But no, buddy had six beers and tossed his jersey (and phone
