Value of: Jeff Skinner for 1C...

[tgo0]

Maybe he gets a 2C on a team with C depth, someone like RNH or Kadri but a 1C is completely unrealistic.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Skinner and faulk for o reilly and something else.

That would be like having 2 Jordan Staals on the team. It wouldn't make sense from a roster building standpoint.

We'd have a hell of a PK, though.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Slavin, Hanifin and Aho are the only pieces Carolina has I think could return a 1C, and Aho might be a bit of a stretch

 

[rent free]

That would be like having 2 Jordan Staals on the team. It wouldn't make sense from a roster building standpoint.

We'd have a hell of a PK, though.

Pk your way into a Stanley cup

 

[GoldiFox]

Slavin, Hanifin and Aho are the only pieces Carolina has I think could return a 1C, and Aho might be a bit of a stretch

Ahh yes because Hanifin > Aho? Please tell us more about the value of players you clearly never watch.

 

[Liferleafer]

Maybe he gets a 2C on a team with C depth, someone like RNH or Kadri but a 1C is completely unrealistic.

Good examples, but i will nitpick on the Kadri one, Leafs won't deal a 2C for another winger.

 

[Stickpucker]

No, absolutely not.


No team in the league is going to trade a 1C for a 1W, and especially when the 1W isn't even a particularly strong 1W to begin with.

But what if they're STRAWNG??!

 

[Jared Dunn]

Ahh yes because Hanifin > Aho? Please tell us more about the value of players you clearly never watch.

Defence > wing

[MOD]

 

[tgo0]

Good examples, but i will nitpick on the Kadri one, Leafs won't deal a 2C for another winger.

I figured that one might cause a debate. Really wasn't speaking on specific team needs, moreso just 2 quick examples of teams with C depth and fair value in a vacuum. I would've said Little as well (even though the Jets, like the Leafs aren't looking to move C for W) but he's had a bit of a down year so he likely wouldn't be fair 1:1 value.

 

[93LEAFS]

Skinner doesn't even start the discussion for one of the 20 or so legit #1 centers in the NHL. He wouldn't even pull in a 1b/2a guy like Trochek, Kadri or ROR.

 

[CheMxDawG]

Defence > wing

[MOD]

Your valuations show your ignorance about our roster.

Hanifin isn't worth nearly as much as Aho, especially with Aho transitioning to C.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Your valuations show your ignorance about our roster.

Hanifin isn't worth nearly as much as Aho, especially with Aho transitioning to C.

If Aho translates successfully into a center for a full season than sure but Habs did it all year with Drouin, and he's still a winger. As of now, most I think teams would still consider him a winger and value a potential top pair D more

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

Skinner doesn't even start the discussion for one of the 20 or so legit #1 centers in the NHL. He wouldn't even pull in a 1b/2a guy like Trochek, Kadri or ROR.

ROR is a #1 center, taking the toughest match ups on a bad team and still gets 60 pts.

 

[93LEAFS]

ROR is a #1 center, taking the toughest match ups on a bad team and still gets 60 pts.

You can say pretty much the same for Kadri, and I'd label him a 1b/2a. He's not a bonafide #1 center you build around. If he's your number 1 center, you aren't happy with your center situation.

He also plays like 20 minutes a game with significant PP time because he plays for a bad team, which helps his raw point totals.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Not a fan of either team but skinner for nugent Hopkins?

It was something I wanted to happen badly because it looked like Todd McLellan would never try RNH on McDavid's wing, leaving him to be a 3C in Edmonton for all of time. An RNH + for Faulk + Skinner package made a lot of sense even eight weeks ago.

However, surprise surprise, Nuge has since turned out to be the best fit with #97 we have ever seen, so it's no longer necessary. At this point I'd rather trade Edmonton's 1st (9th) for a D and keep RNH. Skinner would still be nice but more as a deadline piece.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

You can say pretty much the same for Kadri, and I'd label him a 1b/2a. He's not a bonafide #1 center you build around. If he's your number 1 center, you aren't happy with your center situation.

He also plays like 20 minutes a game with significant PP time because he plays for a bad team, which helps his raw point totals.

Agree to disagree. If you put O'Reilly in Kadri's spot, you'd have a 70-75 point center who's a selke candidate. You put Kadri in O'Reilly's spot, you'd have a 45-55 point center IMO.

 

[93LEAFS]

Agree to disagree. If you put O'Reilly in Kadri's spot, you'd have a 70-75 point center who's a selke candidate. You put Kadri in O'Reilly's spot, you'd have a 45-55 point center IMO.

Kadri's production at 5v5 has blown O'Rielly out of the water the last 2 years. O'Rielly relies on playing a full minute more a game on the PP for his production. Kadri plays significantly less minutes, which is a more important factor in production than line-mates. O'Rielly isn't a #1 center, and if he was a teams number 1 center they would constantly be looking for an upgrade.

 

[Cup or Bust]

Not a fan of either team but skinner for nugent Hopkins?

The way Hopkins ended his season playing with McDavid, there is no reason to consider trading him, especially for a winger.

 

[Canucks1096]

Can Jeff Skinner return a 1C? If so, who can he return? Will there need to be add ons or not?

Number 1 center are usually not available for trade. You need to draft them unless you are Dallas. Last 5 years traded for two number 1 center. Seguin and Spezza. Also the Wild sign one as a UFA in Staal.

 

[Jets]

Kadri is not a 1B Centreman. Cmon lol

 

[boredmale]

ROR is a #1 center, taking the toughest match ups on a bad team and still gets 60 pts.

He is if you believe their is exactly 31(not 29 or 32) #1 centers. Now if you believe a player has to be at a certain level of play to be considered a #1 that is up for debate

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

Kadri's production at 5v5 has blown O'Rielly out of the water the last 2 years. O'Rielly relies on playing a full minute more a game on the PP for his production. Kadri plays significantly less minutes, which is a more important factor in production than line-mates. O'Rielly isn't a #1 center, and if he was a teams number 1 center they would constantly be looking for an upgrade.

You mean the last 2 years since Mathews, and a much much better team around him and Babcock coaching? While O'Reilly's been on a crap team with bad linemates and crap coaching? Of course O'Reilly has to rely on PP production. He's had wingers like Ennis, Foligno, Okoposo and a plethora of crap on his wing the last 2 seasons. Still while given the hardest defensive matchups. I do not believe that if Kadri took O'Reilly's role in Buffalo, he'd have anywhere near the success he's enjoying now. I stand by what I said. O'Reilly 70 point center, Kadri 50 point center if they switched right now

 

[Cassano]

That would be like having 2 Jordan Staals on the team. It wouldn't make sense from a roster building standpoint.

We'd have a hell of a PK, though.

O'Reilly is a consistent 60 point player though.

 

[StreetHawk]

If Aho translates successfully into a center for a full season than sure but Habs did it all year with Drouin, and he's still a winger. As of now, most I think teams would still consider him a winger and value a potential top pair D more

If Aho becomes a C then the canes don’t need to get a 1C.

Until he does, as a winger his value is a certain amount.

Positions do matter in the nhl. C and D are more valuable than W. Nash wasn’t dealing Jones for anything less than a C.

Hanifin hasn’t hit his potential yet, so doubtful he returns a C at the same age range that is proven.

There’s probably just a handful of W that would return a very good D. Talking like Kane, Ovy level.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

RNH? I've always been a big fan, and he'd be a cheaper option