Value of: Jeff petry

[Rabid Ranger]

This was a painful thread to read. LOL.

 

[Benstheman]

Petry is not a no.1D. Never was and never will be. He is a great no.3 and could be a good no.2 if playing with a true lhd no.1 D. For example, i think he would be the ideal partner for Weber if one of them was lhd.

 

[Tit]

Petry is not a no.1D. Never was and never will be. He is a great no.3 and could be a good no.2 if playing with a true lhd no.1 D. For example, i think he would be the ideal partner for Weber if one of them was lhd.

I personally believe he would be Toronto's #1 RHD.
But that's only because our depth is pathetic.

He is a solid #2 RHD on almost every team in the league.
You are undervaluing him.

 

[Benstheman]

I personally believe he would be Toronto's #1 RHD.
But that's only because our depth is pathetic.

He is a solid #2 RHD on almost every team in the league.
You are undervaluing him.

That's basically what i said. The point is, he can't be teams no.1 D but can handle top pair minutes with a no.1 D and be effective on the PP.

 

[FerrisRox]

I don't see why the habs would trade arguably their best D.

There is no credible argument that Jeff Petry is better than Shea Weber.

 

[member 88115]

Petry has actually improved quite a bit in the last two years and he's been (and is currently) unarguably better than Muzzin since then, more or less. Add to that the fact that Muzzin has slowed down a bit on the ice because of lower-body injuries in the last few years.

Lower body? Where did you hear that? He has only missed 8 regular season games the last 3 seasons and played all his games this season. And Muzzin does not look slower.

 

[Intangir]

Lower body? Where did you hear that? He has only missed 8 regular season games the last 3 seasons and played all his games this season. And Muzzin does not look slower.

Playing all the games doesn't mean you don't get small injuries and just play through them. Just watch Alzner's play from 3 seasons ago and watch him now and you'll see the toll blocking shots and playing physical can have on a defenseman's physical atributes and skating speed (there are probably several reports about him not even being able to open pickle jars at home because of damage to his hands), despite not missing a ton of games. No concrete source, but watch Muzzin's stride (and position while skating) now compared to what it was in something like 2015 and you'll notice that they're a bit different from each other. That, to me, screams lower-body injury (or musculo-skeletal/spinal problems, who knows).

As for Muzzin not being slower, I completely disagree. Although he hasn't been all that fast from the start and relied mostly on his awareness and positioning (as well as Doughty bailing him out when all else failed) to make plays, he has slightly more trouble now reaching the puck carrier and pinning him alongside the boards to neutralize plays than he did before. In a straight line, skating from one side of the rink to another, yeah, there isn't THAT much difference, or you could say it's subtle, but where Muzzin's loss of speed is most noticeable to me is in his first couple steps, his acceleration.

Anyways, despite that Muzzin is still a premium asset for the LA Kings and a really, really good defender, one that I'd be thrilled to have on the Canadiens.

 

[member 88115]

Playing all the games doesn't mean you don't get small injuries and just play through them. Just watch Alzner's play from 3 seasons ago and watch him now and you'll see the toll blocking shots and playing physical can have on a defenseman's physical atributes and skating speed (there are probably several reports about him not even being able to open pickle jars at home because of damage to his hands), despite not missing a ton of games. No concrete source, but watch Muzzin's stride (and position while skating) now compared to what it was in something like 2015 and you'll notice that they're a bit different from each other. That, to me, screams lower-body injury (or musculo-skeletal/spinal problems, who knows).

As for Muzzin not being slower, I completely disagree. Although he hasn't been all that fast from the start and relied mostly on his awareness and positioning (as well as Doughty bailing him out when all else failed) to make plays, he has slightly more trouble now reaching the puck carrier and pinning him alongside the boards to neutralize plays than he did before. In a straight line, skating from one side of the rink to another, yeah, there isn't THAT much difference, or you could say it's subtle, but where Muzzin's loss of speed is most noticeable to me is in his first couple steps, his acceleration.

Anyways, despite that Muzzin is still a premium asset for the LA Kings and a really, really good defender, one that I'd be thrilled to have on the Canadiens.

When was the last time you saw Muzzin-Doughty playing together?

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Great skater, solid two-way defender.....absolutely no one wanted him when he was an Oiler.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Great skater, solid two-way defender.....absolutely no one wanted him when he was an Oiler.

And not available until 2020.... Let's look at it next year (maybe).

 

[Just Linda]

Great skater, solid two-way defender.....absolutely no one wanted him when he was an Oiler.

You looking for his value or just trying to bring up that the Oilers let him go?

 

[unitedstars87]

Every teams first rounder combined.

 

[HOPE]

Every teams first rounder combined.

Only way Montreal can ever contend!!

Actually it’s not a bad idea, it could be a gift from the league for putting the sport on the map!

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Every teams first rounder combined.

Its a fair offer, but we would only do it in 2020.

 

[ole ole]

Cup contenders don't want him because he wouldn't improve their team.
Non -playoff teams don't want him because he's to old. Another
Habs will gladly keep him.

 

[sharks9]

Serious answer, similar return to what Pacioretty got. A roster player, very good prospect, and a 2nd-round pick. Maybe another prospect instead of the roster player or upgrade the pick to a 1st-rounder