Jeff Blashill (mod warning post #44)

[roman star]

He should have been fired 2 years ago this is overdue for sure. Yah the roster isn't great but he surely isn't getting enough out of it.

ericsson , daley , crippled kronwall , dekeyser , jensen , half hearted green ? who could win with that . then lets look at jurco , sheahan , booth , frk , helm , neilsen , nyquist , abdelkader , witkowski , crippled zetterberg , and jimmy howard . thats what blash has had to work with . who in the hell could win with that ? do you have any common sense ?

 

[RedMenace]

Personally, I think it's because Bylsma would most likely take the reins if Blashill is fired. If you don't think Bylsma will be an upgrade, there is no point in firing Blashill right now unless anyone expects the Wings to go outside of the organization. That's what's being suggested with all of the fire blashill talk, that he be canned now.

I understand that Bylsma would take the reins, but people are acting like he'd be the coach for all eternity if they dumped Blash now. He'd obviously only be a stop-gap, unless he starts winning, which is a whole other bag of wax.

Unless the Wings believe he has lost the room or don't like what he's doing with the prospects, I don't see any real reason for them to can him mid-season.

To shake things up.

 

[The Wizard of Oz]

I was perfectly content with making the playoffs. We just got bad matchups (Boston, Tampa Bay x2, and Nashville) those teams were far to heavy and gritty and Howard just could never clutchup when it mattered most. What we're witnessing now is just brutal for the young players. We've established a losing culture and its only going to continue to (somehow) get even worse the longer we keep Blashill as a coach.

Glenny’s injury buried us the first Tampa series. And we were one goal away from knocking off the champion Blackhawks. Unfortunately things just never seemed to fall into place in the Z era.

 

[TheMule93]

unless Blashill is hurting player development there is no reason to move on from him for the time being

 

[nhlisawesome]

Glenny’s injury buried us the first Tampa series. And we were one goal away from knocking off the champion Blackhawks. Unfortunately things just never seemed to fall into place in the Z era.

No man, it was Kronwall's suspension that cost us that 1st Tampa series. Mrazek was playing out of his god damn mind.

 

[nhlisawesome]

unless Blashill is hurting player development there is no reason to move on from him for the time being

Seems to me he's been hurting every player's development other than Mantha & Bertuzzi. Larkin would be good no matter what (he's been crap this season though).

 

[roman star]

Seems to me he's been hurting every player's development other than Mantha & Bertuzzi. Larkin would be good no matter what (he's been crap this season though).

you think maybe the defense of borderline nhlers might be an issue preventing larkin from big numbers ? or doesnt the talent level of the defense have anything to do with the success of the forwards / team ?

 

[nhlisawesome]

you think maybe the defense of borderline nhlers might be an issue preventing larkin from big numbers ? or doesnt the talent level of the defense have anything to do with the success of the forwards / team ?

Oh for sure, the brutal defence group we have (thanks Holland) is a major factor for our complete lack of offence but watching the games this year something seems up with Larkin he hasn't been dangerous or hungry.

 

[Oddbob]

I am definitely not a Blashill fan and could care less if he gets the boot tonight. That said, as others have pointed out, we are a one line scoring team, with no depth scoring and a bottom 1-2 defence, and in the NHL that isn't hard to shut down. Also want to point out, we are losing with facing most teams backup goalies, so unfortunately the 3 wins we have might even look better than we really are. I do also believe we won't lose 7 and 8 games in a row all season, but we are going to have numerous losing streaks, and there isn't much to be done about it. A new coach might be good for change of pace though. Other coaches on losing teams have been fired sooner than Blashill has, so I don't think he should have a very long leash, but I do expect him to last till the end of the season, unless we do indeed lose 10-15 in a row or something.

 

[Oddbob]

I don't care what anybody says, this is not a real thing. Go tell Edmonton and Buffalo all about their losing cultures. Turns out teams with a "losing culture" magically lose it the second their rosters get talented enough. Funny how that works.

What have either of them done? They are going good right now, so what! Buffalo had a good start last year too. The reason I disagree with you, is more than one player in the Sabres lockerroom of the past 2 and 3 years have mentioned issues with not caring about winning or more not being worried about losing, so for them it is for sure something that was legit. I know O'Reilly and Johnson are two for sure who talked about the bad or lackluster attitude of some in the lockerroom.

 

[MBH]

Look at NHL history people.
Coaches generally don't get the luxury of 4 straight losing seasons.

Changes were made at GM. They're going to be made at coach, too.

I expect the Red Wings to lose a lot. I don't expect them to get outscored by 1.6 goals a game.

 

[kliq]

I understand that Bylsma would take the reins, but people are acting like he'd be the coach for all eternity if they dumped Blash now. He'd obviously only be a stop-gap, unless he starts winning, which is a whole other bag of wax.

This is exactly why I dont want Blashill fired. If we are going to have a stop gap, let Blashill be that stop gap. I dont want these kids having 3 coaches in 4 years which is what would likely happen if we fired Blashill and promoted Bylsma. If we dump Blashill, I want the coach of the future to be his replacement.

 

[GreatGordie9]

I guess my question in regards to Larkin is whether he is 100% healthy. He had a foot issue in training camp. I have heard that Seider has played really well in GR maybe the kid will be up sooner than later. Joe Hicketts has 7 points in 8 games. My feeling on Blashill is that players maybe starting to tune him out. If you have lost the room he needs to be replaced even though they may still struggle. At the 20 game mark if it is worse I would give Blashill the boot. How much more patience will Stevie have, we will see.

 

[kliq]

I don't care what anybody says, this is not a real thing. Go tell Edmonton and Buffalo all about their losing cultures. Turns out teams with a "losing culture" magically lose it the second their rosters get talented enough. Funny how that works.

Are you implying that when people talk about a "loosing culture" that they are saying you can't get out of it? Your statement implies that Edmonton and Buffalo appearing to be good is proof that it doesn't exist. A loosing culture is a thing, its something that athletes talk about all the time and if you are going to cite teams to go against this narrative, I wouldn't mention Edmonton.

When a team perpetually looses, without a doubt a loosing culture is created. When people talk about this, they are not saying that you can't get out of it forever, its just harder. Maybe you have played in the NHL and have a different perspective, and if so please share but I have heard countless athletes talk about this. Keep in mind, this isn't created by a bad season or two, we are talking years and years of loosing, and failing to build.

Sometimes people make this out to be worse then what it is, but a loosing culture is creating an environment where apathy/pessimism is paramount. Player tend to not give 100%, a couple loses make everyone want to give up, media go nuts and rip management/players, players begin to feel alienated etc etc. etc. Yes if you get better players and are able to switch things up you can come out of it, but its just a harder path.

 

[Go Wings]

ericsson , daley , crippled kronwall , dekeyser , jensen , half hearted green ? who could win with that . then lets look at jurco , sheahan , booth , frk , helm , neilsen , nyquist , abdelkader , witkowski , crippled zetterberg , and jimmy howard . thats what blash has had to work with . who in the hell could win with that ? do you have any common sense ?

Larkin was on the team 2 years ago and had 63 points. I find it interesting that you conveniently left that out. Zetterberg had 68 points. I think you might want to get your memory check because it is clearly failing you. The team had talent they had 2 solid lines and a decent goaltender

 

[The Wizard of Oz]

No man, it was Kronwall's suspension that cost us that 1st Tampa series. Mrazek was playing out of his god damn mind.

Ugh I forgot about that.

 

[The Wizard of Oz]

Are you implying that when people talk about a "loosing culture" that they are saying you can't get out of it? Your statement implies that Edmonton and Buffalo appearing to be good is proof that it doesn't exist. A loosing culture is a thing, its something that athletes talk about all the time and if you are going to cite teams to go against this narrative, I wouldn't mention Edmonton.

When a team perpetually looses, without a doubt a loosing culture is created. When people talk about this, they are not saying that you can't get out of it forever, its just harder. Maybe you have played in the NHL and have a different perspective, and if so please share but I have heard countless athletes talk about this. Keep in mind, this isn't created by a bad season or two, we are talking years and years of loosing, and failing to build.

Sometimes people make this out to be worse then what it is, but a loosing culture is creating an environment where apathy/pessimism is paramount. Player tend to not give 100%, a couple loses make everyone want to give up, media go nuts and rip management/players, players begin to feel alienated etc etc. etc. Yes if you get better players and are able to switch things up you can come out of it, but its just a harder path.

I’d just like to say I wouldn’t have traded places with Buffalo or Edm at any point after the 1980s. They both have hot starts this year good for them. Buffalo had a hot start last year and look what happened. Maybe a little of that losing culture hit when the going got tough, eh?

 

[deca guard]

Larkin was on the team 2 years ago and had 63 points. I find it interesting that you conveniently left that out. Zetterberg had 68 points. I think you might want to get your memory check because it is clearly failing you. The team had talent they had 2 solid lines and a decent goaltender

take a look at reality to see how totally ridiculous your argument that blash had a good roster to coach is ,
and this is just concerning the forward group weakness without dwelling on the terrible defense group :
2017-18 NHL Skater Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[Winger98]

Mod Warning

For the record, we don't really care what folks do/don't do on other boards. What you do here matters here. Consider this a warning across the Wings board here that the sniping and personal shots that are becoming more prevalent could start facing a harder push back. This team is clearly not a great team, it's going to be a long season, we don't have to take that out on each other by making each other's user experience here miserable as well.

 

[lilidk]

Could you please break down why Blashil is a worse coach than most NHL coaches? What should Blashil do to turn this pile of feces into a playoff team? Any specific lines or schemes?

Have first line BLM, rest of lines play trap hockey with AA always ready for breakaway ,bring Rasmussen as PP specialist. Yes we might get to play offs , but get killed in the first round and not get high pic at the draft. We don't have yet prospect who turned this franchise around, we need more prospects.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

This is what the team needs more than a coaching change to win more games, or being content with early playoff exits and floundering in mediocrity which results in no improvement because middling prospects will get us nowhere. Dead Things 2.0 in full effect.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Are you implying that when people talk about a "loosing culture" that they are saying you can't get out of it? Your statement implies that Edmonton and Buffalo appearing to be good is proof that it doesn't exist. A loosing culture is a thing, its something that athletes talk about all the time and if you are going to cite teams to go against this narrative, I wouldn't mention Edmonton.

If Edmonton and Buffalo can get out of their losing culture, then Detroit can too. So it's nothing to worry about. I'd rather have a strong roster and some work to be done to get to winning than a mediocre, dead-end roster with a really good personality. Either way, the "losing culture" thing points to the Edmonton/Buffalo approach being a very good one.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Have first line BLM, rest of lines play trap hockey with AA always ready for breakaway ,bring Rasmussen as PP specialist. Yes we might get to play offs , but get killed in the first round and not get high pic at the draft. We don't have yet prospect who turned this franchise around, we need more prospects.

I guarantee you that strategy won't work. No team in the NHL can rely on one good forward line to carry a team to any kind of consistent success (not just winning games). The team doesn't have the defense or goaltending to sustain that kind of strategy.

 

[dragonballgtz]

Personally I've never been impressed with Trash since the start. People will name Dastyuk and Frazen as reason but I truly believe Tatar and Nyquist regressed under him. I also believe he cannot get the best out of his players and doesn't know how.

Not until late last year did he finally start putting Mantha in a position to use his shot on the PP. What did Trash try to make Mantha do before? He tried to force him to become a net-front presence on the PP, which Mantha might have gotten a few goals on, but he has a shot that is lethal. Make teams respect his shot which can lead to others being open if Mantha doesn't snipe it home.

 

[kliq]

If Edmonton and Buffalo can get out of their losing culture, then Detroit can too. So it's nothing to worry about. I'd rather have a strong roster and some work to be done to get to winning than a mediocre, dead-end roster with a really good personality. Either way, the "losing culture" thing points to the Edmonton/Buffalo approach being a very good one.

I never said that Detroit can't get out of there "loosing culture", and too be honest I'm not even convinced Detroit is even there yet.

I really wouldn't advise using Edmonton when trying to make your point. Being hot garbage from 2007 until 2019 despite #1 pick after #1 pick is not a something to brag about, especially when this "turnaround" could easily disappear like that. Though if anyone knows how to push a team over the top, it is Ken Holland, perfect situation for him.