Rutherford traded former 40-goal scorer James Neal to the Nashville Predators in exchange for forwards Patric Hornqvist and Nick Spaling during the first round of the 2014 NHL Draft at Wells Fargo Center.
i would have loved to see this proposal on the trade boards before it happened.
my guess is that most of you would have been LOLing at the thought this was fair value
or with a proposal to acquire hornquist. i doubt many of you would have included neal
This past post season, yes, but what about the previous playoff runs they played together?
Riptide:And I said rebuild where? I said I wanted 1 piece added that could have some upside and help us down the road. OR I wanted a better piece than Spaling. Once again, learn to read what's written - especially when it's right in front of you.
You said you're ok with losing a trade and I said we were a win now team and to take that approach would be stupid. Particularly because we aren't in a rebuild. Hows that????
i would have loved to see this proposal on the trade boards before it happened.
my guess is that most of you would have been LOLing at the thought this was fair value
or with a proposal to acquire hornquist. i doubt many of you would have included neal
The trade came out of nowhere. Wasn't even on people's radar for several reasons; Hornqvist is the only real offensive threat the Preds have--figured he was untouchable, the Preds don't have a guy to pair with Neal (which is why I think Neal's totals drop precipitously moving forward), rumors swirled of Winnipeg looking to move E. Kane or Wheeler.
Just because a bunch of dummies on a message board (myself included) didn't see it coming doesn't mean it was a bad trade.
Yeah is right, Malone is ******* compared to Neal. Any knowledgeable fan knows that. Also, you're comparing two wings to one (Malone and Sykora), which in and of itself is unbalanced. Besides, that 3rd wheel on the Neal- Malkin line was largely a hindrance, yet that never gets brought up, wonder why. I guess we can blame Neal for that though.Geno had 22 points in 20 games playing with Malone and Sykora in 2008. And, that was with a drop off in production after he got hurt (ribs cracked was the speculation, no). And, that was 10 goals in 22 games.
With Neal, it's 13 goals in 34 games in the playoffs.
In the regular season in 2007-2008, Geno had 47 goals, and he didn't start playing with Malone until December, when Sid got hurt. THAT was when his point production took off.
With Neal, even with the 50 goal season, it's 82 goals in 166 games.
NOW, one could argue that Geno gets more assists with Neal than he did playing with Malone and Sykora. 132 in 166 games versus 59 in 82 games. A marginally better pace than holds in the playoffs.
Just one thing: The Geno who played with Malone was a 2nd year player, not Geno in his prime.
What was it you said, agree to disagree? Oh yeah . . .
Kirk said:24 year old Colin Wilson, with 5 years pro experience and 33 points last year, has upside.
25 year old Nick Spaling with 5 years pro experience and 32 points last year, has maxed out.
Um, ok then, moving on . . .
I also brought up the preds taking salary back, thus enabling us the ability to add another piece via trade or free agency. Yet THAT part of my post wasn't brought up. Keep cherry picking though, it''s cute.So, we're a win now team. Why are you whining about a draft pick who won't amount to anything before Sid turns 30, if at all?
I didn't see it being Hornqvist. When I heard they were talking, I figured Wilson and the #11 overall.
So much happier with Hornqvist, although the Pens might have won it in 4 years if the deal were Wilson, Spaling, and the #11 overall.
Then again, it would've meant waiting until Sid's 30th birthday to find out, but, hey, it's about being able to say we won it in 10 years, so . . .
Wilson has been more consistent in his scoring, and put up more points overall. He also had 19 in 25 games last year before getting hurt. Yes he still has some upside offensively.
Spaling on the other hand was never a big time scorer. He didn't do anything in the AHL, he never lit up the CHL until after being drafted as a 19 yr old, and he's never done anything in the NHL.
It has little to do with age, and more to do with the type of players they are. Wilson is an effective top 9 player with some potential offensively. Spaling is an effective 3rd liner, will never be a top 6 winger, and will never be an offensive player.
Riptide:And I said rebuild where? I said I wanted 1 piece added that could have some upside and help us down the road. OR I wanted a better piece than Spaling. Once again, learn to read what's written - especially when it's right in front of you.
You said you're ok with losing a trade and I said we were a win now team and to take that approach would be stupid. Particularly because we aren't in a rebuild. Hows that????
I read the post, it was rubbish.I said more than that, but good job taking it out of context. Go read the rest of the post.
I read the post, it was rubbish.
I read the post, it was rubbish.
I answered it in the previous thread, and then this one came up in the midst of my response. In any case I just don't subscribe to losing a trade. I did mention you talking about these guys panning out, and stated that that's an unnecessary risk relative to trying to be a win now team. but again that's back in the old thread. You just zeroed in on my last sentence.So that's why you quote half a sentence and take things out of context intentionally? Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.
You're right and I shouldn't be so harsh. My bad.I haven't been paying attention to this argument but I'm on Riptide's side because you were a meanie.
I also brought up the preds taking salary back, thus enabling us the ability to add another piece via trade or free agency. Yet THAT part of my post wasn't brought up. Keep cherry picking though, it''s cute.
You're right and I shouldn't be so harsh. My bad.
Yeah is right, Malone is ******* compared to Neal. Any knowledgeable fan knows that. Also, you're comparing two wings to one (Malone and Sykora), which in and of itself is unbalanced. Besides, that 3rd wheel on the Neal- Malkin line was largely a hindrance, yet that never gets brought up, wonder why. I guess we can blame Neal for that though.
Wilson has been more consistent in his scoring, and put up more points overall. He also had 19 in 25 games last year before getting hurt. Yes he still has some upside offensively.
Spaling on the other hand was never a big time scorer. He didn't do anything in the AHL, he never lit up the CHL until after being drafted as a 19 yr old, and he's never done anything in the NHL.
It has little to do with age, and more to do with the type of players they are. Wilson is an effective top 9 player with some potential offensively. Spaling is an effective 3rd liner, will never be a top 6 winger, and will never be an offensive player.
So a team close to the cap couldn't ask the preds, a lowly team who needs to appease their fanbase, they couldn't be asked to take salary back on when getting the best player in the trade? Yes, what a terrible notion.That's because that idea was dumber and less practical than trading Crosby.
What I'm learning is that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. It's pretty clear your inane agendas cloud your judgement. No one in their right mind would believe that Malone was a better winger than Neal for Geno.Strange, in the playoffs, even Jokinen knew how to leech properly. Maybe Neal was the problem for the Malkin-Jokinen combo.
I can assure you that with the Malone-Sykora combo, Malone was the necessity and Sykora was the luxury, and 2009 proved that.
But, please, do go on, I'm learning so much from you tonight.