Confirmed with Link: Jake Walman

[norrisnick]

I'm baffled by all the people stating they know how the process works and then demonstrating that they don't.

Arbitration is adversarial in nature. If you are reasonable, you get f***ed because you know damn well the other side won't be. Or at least you better know that.

Two-way for a guy that was up all year and hasn't been in the A in two seasons is insulting. Now that the insults are out of the way, the negotiations begin.

 

[RRhoads]

I get the purpose of coming In high but that ask is actually a bit insulting

So is the league minimum two way offer. Every arbitration is like this. Players asks A LOT and teams low ball.

 

[Gniwder]

I'm baffled by all the people stating they know how the process works and then demonstrating that they don't.

Arbitration is adversarial in nature. If you are reasonable, you get f***ed because you know damn well the other side won't be. Or at least you better know that.

Two-way for a guy that was up all year and hasn't been in the A in two seasons is insulting. Now that the insults are out of the way, the negotiations begin.

We're also talking about a player that signed for a pay cut from his ELC with a $725k salary cap.

If he doesn't sign with the Wings he's going to wind up in the AHL anyways after he misses half the season.

 

[norrisnick]

We're also talking about a player that signed for a pay cut from his ELC with a $725k salary cap.

If he doesn't sign with the Wings he's going to wind up in the AHL anyways after he misses half the season.

He's going to sign with the Wings (unless they walk of course). That's the whole reason he went to arbitration.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Yeah he’s definitely not sticking around

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

I'm baffled by all the people stating they know how the process works and then demonstrating that they don't.

Arbitration is adversarial in nature. If you are reasonable, you get f***ed because you know damn well the other side won't be. Or at least you better know that.

Two-way for a guy that was up all year and hasn't been in the A in two seasons is insulting. Now that the insults are out of the way, the negotiations begin.

I agree that the two way thing is a bit odd

 

[brett89]

have you guys ever negotiated? as the seller you always start high.

 

[Dotter]

Give him $1.5m / 1yr. Chris can afford it and cap doesn't matter. Jesus, let the guy make some money. Why is everyone so uptight on salary when it doesn't matter.

After taxes and expenses he'll be lucky to see $500k of that.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

So Walman has 76 career games and 12 points, And he honestly believes he's worth $1.7 mil. No arbitaitor is giving him that much.

 

[Hatter of the Beach]

So is the league minimum two way offer. Every arbitration is like this. Players asks A LOT and teams low ball.

Walman really hasn’t done much to justify more than league minimum. He’s a 26 year old with less than a full season of games

 

[dalem177]

"This bloke won't haggle!"

 

[norrisnick]

So Walman has 76 career games and 12 points, And he honestly believes he's worth $1.7 mil. No arbitaitor is giving him that much.

Again, not how this works.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Again, not how this works.

Once again i know how arbitration works, Team always starts low and the player starts high and they meet somewhere in the middle.

 

[norrisnick]

Walman really hasn’t done much to justify more than league minimum. He’s a 26 year old with less than a full season of games

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the sticking point is the 2-way portion.

 

[norrisnick]

Once again i know how arbitration works, Team always starts low and the player starts high and they meet somewhere in the middle.

Well... that statement leads me to believe you don't know how it works. Because he doesn't honestly believe he's worth $1.7M. That's what he's asking because he knows how arbitration works.

 

[Gniwder]

Again, not how this works.

Yeah, you start out by offering Hronek, Zadina, and a 2nd....

 

[evolutionbaby]

When teams go to arb, who goes and represents the team? Does a lawyer present their side based on discussions with who, the gm?

 

[Killerjas]

Honestly, are we lowballing him or is he just asking for too much? If the later, do you really want a guy like that on your team?

 

[Henkka]

On Bertuzzi case, player side asked for 4.25M (imo, more realistic value) and team low-balled by 3.15M

Arbitrator settled to more team-favor 3.5M.

All arbitration cases have lately been very team-favored, for some reason.

And Walman-case is no different. He will be much nearer of the team-filed value, than his own ask. In this case it's the more realistic and I don't see any factor to favor the player ask.

 

[norrisnick]

Honestly, are we lowballing him or is he just asking for too much? If the later, do you really want a guy like that on your team?

Both, this is arbitration and how it works.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Give him $1.5m / 1yr. Chris can afford it and cap doesn't matter. Jesus, let the guy make some money. Why is everyone so uptight on salary when it doesn't matter.

After taxes and expenses he'll be lucky to see $500k of that.

Because rich guys don't become rich guys by giving away unnecessary money.

 

[Pavels Dog]

And he honestly believes he's worth $1.7 mil.

No he doesn't.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Honestly, are we lowballing him or is he just asking for too much? If the later, do you really want a guy like that on your team?

It will be worth seeing whether they come to an agreement before an arbitrator makes the decision for them. I know in the past the franchise has tried to avoid the process of bagging on the player to support their case, but I don't know if that is still the case.

 

[MabusIncarnate]

I want to point out that if it does go to arbitration, they cannot make a deal at that point and the award is a one year deal.

So does $1.2M one year contract make sense for the Wings when Walman is going to miss at least half the season then go to free agency? I think if it's a one way contract over a mil Stevie will walk. Borderline defensemen are dime a dozen, as we've seen the past few seasons.

I feel like I say this a lot, but there are likely Walman-like players on FA that are healthy, so the fact that he's gonna be out for a while this season, I don't see the value.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I feel like I say this a lot, but there are likely Walman-like players on FA that are healthy, so the fact that he's gonna be out for a while this season, I don't see the value.

I'm kind of with you here. Are we expecting Wallman to have a renaissance and turn into a top 4 D? Everything I saw of the guy last year made me think he's an average #6 to a good #7.