Player Discussion Jake Virtanen placed on leave of absence from Canucks amid allegations of sexual misconduct

[Johnny Canucker]

If this is the case why do so few women attempt these kinds of escapes from awkward - read kind of rapey - situations? Are they all liars who changed their minds after the facts or do they have some other motive aside from their own safety? Enquiring minds would like to know.

Wow. I’m not even going to comment on your idea that maybe “they are liars who changed their minds”. You obviously don’t have daughters or sisters.

 

[Johnny Canucker]

This franchise is cursed. What caused it?

not cursed. We draft poorly. Interview poorly. Develop poorly. Coach poorly. Lead poorly.

that’s a personnel issue.

 

[Petey O]

There is a BIG difference between two teenagers getting together because of booze, drugs, and hormones, and a guy being creepy and continually making moves after the girl says she isn't interested in sex.

I haven't met the guy in person, but I've always gotten that sleaze vibe from Jake. I don't know what it is, but it's there.

May be unfair to him, but he just seems like the type that would be stupid enough to do this sort of thing.

His ridiculous attempts at chasing streamer girls and porn stars on social media as well just add to that speculation.

 

[Bad Goalie]

How did Jake and this girl meet anyway? I read she said on the Internet. Is that right? Was it some kind of a singles dating site or something?

What the H does it matter how he met her. Does the method of meeting dictate what you can expect to do with her?

 

[valkynax]

I wouldn't even go there. Two different situations. It was dumb to pass on those two, but that's just what happens when you have an idiot as GM. Nothing to do with this situation. What Virtanen did, if guilty, is absolutely deplorable, disgusting, he should never play another game in the NHL, and he should be locked up. There is no supporting that.

I hope justice will be served - if he's innocents, make it clear that he is. If he did it, he should f***ing rot in prison.

 

[archangel2]

Why am I not shocked it is him in this situation? Off all players on the Canucks it always just seems to be him in situations that causes others to roll their eyes

 

[Fatass]

This is an absolutely disgusting viewpoint.

I think I’m misunderstanding that poster’s comments. Isn’t he talking about education. We teach kids to not get into cars with strangers, right? Meeting people on the Internet and getting into their control is kind of simiłar. This girl was sexually assaulted.

 

[timw33]

yes but "hearing things" vs having someone come forward in an official capacity is a massive massive difference as an employer

Having worked in an HR capacity before, as soon as you "hear something" you're usually the clock liability-wise.

 

[Tables of Stats]

I think I’m misunderstanding that poster’s comments. Isn’t he talking about education. We teach kids to not get into cars with strangers, right? Meeting people on the Internet and getting into their control is kind of simiłar. This girl was sexually assaulted.

It comes across as very similar to the arguments made by conservatives about women looking or dressing a certain way as well as stereotypes about women 'leading men on' or 'being teases'. While the reality is that caution is needed it's the men we need to educate, women are often already painfully aware of just how vulnerable they are.

 

[m9]

Just because a person could have made some better choices in judgment doesn't mean they deserve to be the victim of a crime.

 

[Oliewud]

Of course he does this on top of his 5pt season

 

[Peen]

If you want my guess, I think upper management absolutely knew at least a week ago. There were people making comments like “there’s going to be some bad news coming out soon” like 5 days ago.

 

[Tables of Stats]

For all that I've posted about this topic my actual feelings are best summed up as:

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

not cursed. We draft poorly. Interview poorly. Develop poorly. Coach poorly. Lead poorly.

that’s a personnel issue.

I haven't met the guy in person, but I've always gotten that sleaze vibe from Jake. I don't know what it is, but it's there.

May be unfair to him, but he just seems like the type that would be stupid enough to do this sort of thing.

His ridiculous attempts at chasing streamer girls and porn stars on social media as well just add to that speculation.

these two posts go together. we surround our young players with veteran examples badly.

pat quinn literally traded away dan quinn to get him away from young linden.

when jake and mccann were rookies, our big character veteran addition was brandon prust. later, we brought in mdz.

not saying that what jake did or didn’t do was learned from those guys, but he certainly didn’t grow up and learn to treat women with respect from them either.

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

If you want my guess, I think upper management absolutely knew at least a week ago. There were people making comments like “there’s going to be some bad news coming out soon” like 5 days ago.

This should surprise no one after this organization's response to the Covid outbreak.

 

[Peen]

This should surprise no one after this organization's response to the Covid outbreak.

Well, I don't think it's something I'd criticize the organization over - at least not without more information. I just said I think they knew but I didn't mean it as a criticism

I don't know much about the PR side but would it have been beneficial for them to bring the situation public before the accuser's story was published? Maybe there's some PR person in here who could comment. I assume Drance will go over this stuff soon.

 

[Seattle Totems]

This is the "boys will be boys" defence.

Boys are not going to stop being boys because society asks them. Its certainly not a defence of their conduct but telling women not to protect themselves and falling back on a victim blaming narrative is not going to do a thing to make anyone safe.

If a man invites a woman he does not know to a hotel room he is expecting sex. There is nothing wrong in saying this.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Just because a person could have made some better choices in judgment doesn't mean they deserve to be the victim of a crime.

of course i agree with this, but i also think that i don’t like what “better judgment” implies in the context of this thread.

it’s easy to say, don’t go into a hotel room alone with a tinder date. that’s risky. but we’ve all gone on dates with people. sometimes we pick the other person up for dinner in our cars. sometimes after dinner we walk the other person home, and sometimes they live on dark quiet streets with no one around. are those risky decisions? should we expect women to never find themselves alone with men they’ve just met ever?

but more generally, wgaf what she should have assumed jake, or any other tinder date, expected to happen in that hotel room? you are allowed to get a bad vibe and call it off. you are allowed to say no. sometimes you get the feeling that the dude (euphemism alert) isn’t going to be the most gentle lover. sometimes you get the feeling that he’s filming this and you’ll be on pornhub tomorrow morning. sometimes you just aren’t into being that close to so much axe body spray. i don’t know why any of this is so hard for some ppl in this thread (not you) to understand.

 

[Seattle Totems]

There is a BIG difference between two teenagers getting together because of booze, drugs, and hormones, and a guy being creepy and continually making moves after the girl says she isn't interested in sex.

One can not give consent when they are drunk so that logic does not really add up.

 

[wonton15]

It'll be a termination with his whole cap being removed if it comes to that, right?

 

[wavaxa2]

It'll be a termination with his whole cap being removed if it comes to that, right?

It would be so Benning to have his dumb ass be saved yet again by bizarre circumstances.

 

[Seattle Totems]

This is an absolutely disgusting viewpoint.

If men are considered the aggressors why is it wrong to say they cant be trusted?

I'm not blaming anyone. I'm simply saying people should talk about this and understand that meeting anyone you dont know in a hotel room can jeopardize your safety. What part of that do you disagree with? Please articulate your view.

 

[Pip]

Maybe this is unfair but if they didn’t name Virtanen he would have been my first and only guess.

 

[Recipe Unlimited]

Maybe this is unfair but if they didn’t name Virtanen he would have been my first and only guess.

I totally agree with you here.

 

[forecheck]

not good