Injury Report: Jake Gardiner - Now Week-to-Week

[Kurtz]

Makes zero sense, they should have gotten a 1st for him at the trade deadline tho

How can you make that statement in this thread? Trading an injured UFA to be who may be out for a season for a 1st???

 

[nuck]

Half of the people who post here were saying it the minute the contract was announced, I'm pretty sure Lou knew it as well.

Saying it is an over payment (almost all of us) and guessing that the Leafs would have $40M tied up in 4 players for 19-20 isn't quite the same. JT wasn't even on the radar then and without that they have millions to burn.

I wonder if Lou would have traded Willie to fix the cap pressure. https://thehockeywriters.com/eric-gelinas-beware-lou-lamoriello-zero-tolerance-holdouts/ I mostly recall the Gomez situation with Lou. I think he would have dealt Willie over the summer as soon as his agent mentioned the Draisaitl deal and we would now be talking about how Marleau was preventing them from resigning Gardiner

 

[Gary Nylund]

Saying it is an over payment (almost all of us) and guessing that the Leafs would have $40M tied up in 4 players for 19-20 isn't quite the same. JT wasn't even on the radar then and without that they have millions to burn.

I wonder if Lou would have traded Willie to fix the cap pressure. https://thehockeywriters.com/eric-gelinas-beware-lou-lamoriello-zero-tolerance-holdouts/ I mostly recall the Gomez situation with Lou. I think he would have dealt Willie over the summer as soon as his agent mentioned the Draisaitl deal and we would now be talking about how Marleau was preventing them from resigning Gardiner

You're wrong, go back and look at the archives if you don't believe me. When Marleau was signed we immediately started talking about the fact that 3rd year means that we would lose a good player, probably Gardiner (unless there was a handshake deal in place to somehow ditch that 3rd year). Now that we have Tavares as well, it looks like we might lose someone else in addition to Gardiner but either way, it was obvious from day one that that 3rd year was a big issue.

 

[justafan22]

Per Mirtle, Gardiner might be out until the 2nd round.

Mirtle: Maple Leafs in tough with potentially long-term...

It was good business not signing him to an extension

 

[56 Years No Cup]

Per Mirtle, Gardiner might be out until the 2nd round.

Mirtle: Maple Leafs in tough with potentially long-term...

This kind of stuff bugs me. If Gardiner needs back surgery, shouldn't he have to wait in the queue like the rest of us common stiffs? Unless he goes to the States, why would he get it right away?

Had a co-worker who slipped a disk in his back. Younger guy, he was in excruciating pain for over 8 months. Like, have to lie down can't move pain. After fighting with our fine medical system, he got the surgery and was finally back to work after a bit more than TWO YEARS. Two years without his full income for his young family.

 

[Leafslet]

I completely disagree. I blew my acl (sports injury) when I was young(had surgery to correct). The sheering action on the joint is actually harder with the half squats. I used to squat sets over 500 lbs ass to the grass (@ just over 200 lbs of weight). All my training partners who did half squats got no where near the gains and strength that I and others did. I trained with some guys who were seriously into powerlifting and they set me straight at a young age. I solely trained for strength

anyways, ignoring you being wrong, how do you do ass to the grass deadlifts? or lunges?

*shakes head*

 

[Notsince67]

anyways, ignoring you being wrong, how do you do ass to the grass deadlifts? or lunges?

*shakes head*

I did ass to grass squats. Read post again. And I'm not wrong. You might believe on foo foo weight training but come talk to me when you can do more than 2.5 times bodyweight for sets... low. We used to joke about the half squatters

 

[Leafslet]

I did ass to grass squats. Read post again. And I'm not wrong. You might believe on foo foo weight training but come talk to me when you can do more than 2.5 times bodyweight for sets... low. We used to joke about the half squatters

im not saying you do half squats lol. your bum is going belowe your knees. but if you’re doing ass actually touching the ground then you’re causing damage to your knees.

 

[Jozay]

Per Mirtle, Gardiner might be out until the 2nd round.

Mirtle: Maple Leafs in tough with potentially long-term...

Jeez, that f***ing sucks for us.

Damn

 

[therealkoho]

Love or hate Gardiner, you'd have to be crazy to think you're better off without him in the lineup.

Zaitsev seem's a lot better without him, or it could be just a coincidence or Zaitsev is finally 100% physically

I'm not saying the Leafs won't miss Gardiner, he's much better then average offensive Dman when he's got it going on, but you can't deny he's an adventure in his own end

 

[therealkoho]

Rielly - - - Dermott
Muzzin - - - Zaitsev
Hainsey - - Liljigren

Let's see what Lily's got!

he's nowhere near ready for this level, perhaps next year

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

he's nowhere near ready for this level, perhaps next year

But I heard he was at most 3 years away from being a top-4 NHL defenseman from his draft year.

 

[therealkoho]

But I heard he was at most 3 years away from being a top-4 NHL defenseman from his draft year.

seeing as this is his second year of pro hockey.......

 

[MyBudJT]

Brisson interviewed on 1050 today:

Q: Toronto fans are going to find out in short order how valuable [Gardiner] is to the team... the injury will be tough, does it effect any of what you're trying to do going forard in terms of a contract or anything else?

A: No, I don't think its a major major injury. Obviously we're going week to week hear to see how it heals, and we'll be in a better position probably next week to make a better decision so-to-speak. From what I understand, its nothing structural where it will effect him long term... it came from about a week ago or so, and it's unfortunate for now.

Q: Have you been having extension talks with Toronto?

A: We've had some discussions last summer, briefly. You know, there has been a lot of discussions with other players too with the Leafs. Its a cap system so obviously you can't put everyone under the cap. We've had some good conversations with the Leafs, but we'll see at the end of the year where everything is at, and I'm sure we'll have more conversations at that time.

 

[Its not your fault]

Saying it is an over payment (almost all of us) and guessing that the Leafs would have $40M tied up in 4 players for 19-20 isn't quite the same. JT wasn't even on the radar then and without that they have millions to burn.

I wonder if Lou would have traded Willie to fix the cap pressure. https://thehockeywriters.com/eric-gelinas-beware-lou-lamoriello-zero-tolerance-holdouts/ I mostly recall the Gomez situation with Lou. I think he would have dealt Willie over the summer as soon as his agent mentioned the Draisaitl deal and we would now be talking about how Marleau was preventing them from resigning Gardiner

That almost sounds worse.

 

[Joey Hoser]

im not saying you do half squats lol. your bum is going belowe your knees. but if you’re doing ass actually touching the ground then you’re causing damage to your knees.

ATG just means basically as low as you can go, well-past parallel.

Like this dude.



I used to do it that way, but it eventually started f***in' one of my knees up, so I just go parallel now. I loved it though.

Why are we talking about this in the Gardiner thread btw?

 

[horner]

Jeez, that ****ing sucks for us.

Damn

Good thing we didn't get an extra dman at the deadline .
McQuaid would look get right know.
Thanks dubasssss.

You know Jake was having back issues.

Good move.

 

[horner]

he's nowhere near ready for this level, perhaps next year

At this point we may have no choice.

Rosen and Borgman are out

 

[mikeo1]

How can you make that statement in this thread? Trading an injured UFA to be who may be out for a season for a 1st???

Dubas, more like dumbass!

This kind of stuff bugs me. If Gardiner needs back surgery, shouldn't he have to wait in the queue like the rest of us common stiffs? Unless he goes to the States, why would he get it right away?

Had a co-worker who slipped a disk in his back. Younger guy, he was in excruciating pain for over 8 months. Like, have to lie down can't move pain. After fighting with our fine medical system, he got the surgery and was finally back to work after a bit more than TWO YEARS. Two years without his full income for his young family.

This kind of stuff bugs me. If Gardiner needs back surgery, shouldn't he have to wait in the queue like the rest of us common stiffs? Unless he goes to the States, why would he get it right away?

Had a co-worker who slipped a disk in his back. Younger guy, he was in excruciating pain for over 8 months. Like, have to lie down can't move pain. After fighting with our fine medical system, he got the surgery and was finally back to work after a bit more than TWO YEARS. Two years without his full income for his young family.

Well he isn’t getting it right away. They’re going to wait a few weeks, since most of these heal up without surgery. And almost guaranteed he isn’t getting it done in the public health care system if he does get it. He’s probably going to the states or one of those private surgeons in BC.

 

[Notsince67]

Completely agree.

Gardiner does not pass the eye test defensively.
- bad pinches all the time
- poor d-zone positioning
- soft plays on the puck
- constant d-zone turnovers

He is chasing his tail in the d-zone.

Advanced stats are cute and all but I'll look at them closer for players who can pass the eye test first. I mean I was told career AHLer Marancin also had great advanced stats.

Elite zone denial stats (way better than Rielly) and one of our better zone exit dmen.

 

[AllDay28]

This kind of stuff bugs me. If Gardiner needs back surgery, shouldn't he have to wait in the queue like the rest of us common stiffs? Unless he goes to the States, why would he get it right away?

Had a co-worker who slipped a disk in his back. Younger guy, he was in excruciating pain for over 8 months. Like, have to lie down can't move pain. After fighting with our fine medical system, he got the surgery and was finally back to work after a bit more than TWO YEARS. Two years without his full income for his young family.

what? Gardiners gonna see a top specialist, paid by the Leafs. If you want to get really mad, get mad at your employer who didnt pay for your friend, like the Leafs will for Gardiner.

 

[56 Years No Cup]

what? Gardiners gonna see a top specialist, paid by the Leafs. If you want to get really mad, get mad at your employer who didnt pay for your friend, like the Leafs will for Gardiner.

Yes, in the States, because there is no supposedly no queue jumping in our socialist health system, Fanboy.

 

[Beyonder91]

Elite zone denial stats (way better than Rielly) and one of our better zone exit dmen.

He has his positives too no doubt...

 

[Notsince67]

He has his positives too no doubt...

One of the positives is that the leafs are piss poor at zone denial (especially zaitsev). Some of the bad pitches that gardiner makes are offset by the good ones.
I'm not pretending that Gards is the best dman in the league. I can say that if he wasn't a leaf, a lot of people here would be calling for someone to make a trade for a guy like this. His skillset fits the current team system (whether that is good or bad is another discussion).
It is likely more important to lose a guy like DJ Smith and change the system before you replace players who can play in this system.

 

[janesy12]

Any news on Gardiner? Seems like he's probably done as a Leaf unless we make it past the first round?