Player Discussion Jake DeBrusk III: Signs 2 Years 3.675 AAV

[BruinDust]

I could definitely live with that. Honestly... not sure how serious they think they are in the Hall sweepstakes, but I think once that happens, the other decisions will be made.

I don't think they are in the mix with a 3-year contract offer. Hall can talk about winning all he wants, but like someone pointed out yesterday, he isn't likely to get a massive deal at age 32, so he'd be leaving a lot of money on the table. I'd be shocked if some other contending team didn't offer him at least 4-5 years. He'll find that balance between a contending team and term. The AAV isn't going to be much different either way.

 

[stungun54]

connor brown OTT just got 3 year $10.8 contract. $2.8 this year $4 next 2 years. Numbers somewhat similar to JDB. Would think JDB comes in around that.
Brown 16g 27a for 43pts
JDB 19g 16a 35 pts

 

[Yeti34]

connor brown OTT just got 3 year $10.8 contract. $2.8 this year $4 next 2 years. Numbers somewhat similar to JDB. Would think JDB comes in around that.
Brown 16g 27a for 43pts
JDB 19g 16a 35 pts

Debrusk is younger and also had a 27 goal year in 18-19 and Connor Brown had 8. I don’t think that’s a good comparison.

 

[PlayMakers]

He's an RFA, he'll take what Sweeney gives him and like it! Not like he has any leverage. He's not Mitch Marner.

I think that's how Sweeney sees it too. I think that's how Sweeney approaches all of his negotiations, the Sinden way, take it or leave it. That's why he gets such good deals. People want to stay here, and he draws a hard line.

That said, I'd be lying if I wasn't a bit concerned he's hurting the Bruins reputation as a good place to play. Krug was one of the most popular players on the team and he flat out lied about that negotiation, and got caught out, and then pretty much called Krug a liar by insisting he wasn't lying. He hardballed Pastrnak. He hardballed McAvoy.

I guess you can't have it both ways. Sinden got good deals but nobody wanted to play in Boston when he was in charge. Chiarelli came in and gave everyone "market" rates which led to a bloated bottom6. Sweeney has gone back to drawing the hard line and getting good deals. Time will tell if he's also generating ill will.

 

[stungun54]

Debrusk is younger and also had a 27 goal year in 18-19 and Connor Brown had 8. I don’t think that’s a good comparison.

Fair just a quick reference as I saw Brown was just signed and was curious about his numbers/stats and salary. Most of these guys are all 26 and their are countless other variables.
I dont pay JDB anymore that 3.5 in this flat cap pandemic/bridge deal. Ottowa has no worries really capspace wise. Bruins need to be looking at cap more carefully.

Jake DeBrusk $1,288,333 RFA
2017-18 Boston Bruins NHL 70 16 27 43
2018-19 Boston Bruins NHL 68 27 15 42
2019-20 Boston Bruins NHL 65 19 16 35

Connor Brown $3,600 Signed 3 year deal
2016-17 Toronto NHL 82 20 16 36
2017-18 Toronto NHL 82 14 14 28
2018-19 Toronto NHL 82 8 21 29
2019-20 Ottawa NHL 71 16 27 43

Sam Reinhart $3,650 RFA
2016-17 Buffalo NHL 79 17 30 47
2017-18 Buffalo NHL 82 25 25 50
2018-19 Buffalo NHL 82 22 43 65
2019-20 Buffalo NHL 69 22 28 50

Anthony Mantha $3,300 RFA
2017-18 Detroit NHL 80 24 24 48
2018-19 Detroit NHL 67 25 23 48
2019-20 Detroit NHL 43 16 22 38

 

[Dr Hook]

I think that's how Sweeney sees it too. I think that's how Sweeney approaches all of his negotiations, the Sinden way, take it or leave it. That's why he gets such good deals. People want to stay here, and he draws a hard line.

That said, I'd be lying if I wasn't a bit concerned he's hurting the Bruins reputation as a good place to play. Krug was one of the most popular players on the team and he flat out lied about that negotiation, and got caught out, and then pretty much called Krug a liar by insisting he wasn't lying. He hardballed Pastrnak. He hardballed McAvoy.

I guess you can't have it both ways. Sinden got good deals but nobody wanted to play in Boston when he was in charge. Chiarelli came in and gave everyone "market" rates which led to a bloated bottom6. Sweeney has gone back to drawing the hard line and getting good deals. Time will tell if he's also generating ill will.

This is not really surprising as Don played for Sinden for 15 seasons and after that year in Dallas went into the org where Sinden was and is very much a presence.

 

[Yeti34]

Fair just a quick reference as I saw Brown was just signed and was curious about his numbers/stats and salary. Most of these guys are all 26 and their are countless other variables.
I dont pay JDB anymore that 3.5 in this flat cap pandemic/bridge deal. Ottowa has no worries really capspace wise. Bruins need to be looking at cap more carefully.

Jake DeBrusk $1,288,333 RFA
2017-18 Boston Bruins NHL 70 16 27 43
2018-19 Boston Bruins NHL 68 27 15 42
2019-20 Boston Bruins NHL 65 19 16 35

Connor Brown $3,600 Signed 3 year deal
2016-17 Toronto NHL 82 20 16 36
2017-18 Toronto NHL 82 14 14 28
2018-19 Toronto NHL 82 8 21 29
2019-20 Ottawa NHL 71 16 27 43

Sam Reinhart $3,650 RFA
2016-17 Buffalo NHL 79 17 30 47
2017-18 Buffalo NHL 82 25 25 50
2018-19 Buffalo NHL 82 22 43 65
2019-20 Buffalo NHL 69 22 28 50

Anthony Mantha $3,300 RFA
2017-18 Detroit NHL 80 24 24 48
2018-19 Detroit NHL 67 25 23 48
2019-20 Detroit NHL 43 16 22 38

I like the bottom two comparisons a lot better. Hopefully he does sign for less than $3.6

 

[BruinsBtn]

Gurianov just went through the playoffs at a 30-30 pace and got 2 years and $2.55m. He had 20 regular season goals compared to Debrusk's 19.

Every day I get less eager to pay him a dollar over $3m. I like him, but I'm not paying for potential (and if I were, I'd give it to Gurianov instead).

 

[yazmybaby]

Sign him to a one year deal at 3.5 and call it a day.
If he scores 30 or more goals this year, which I hope he does, give him a better deal in 2021, when we have more flexibility with the cap.

 

[mflo77]

i see debrusk signing, 2 years, 7.5 million range.

 

[The Laukomotive]

connor brown OTT just got 3 year $10.8 contract. $2.8 this year $4 next 2 years. Numbers somewhat similar to JDB. Would think JDB comes in around that.
Brown 16g 27a for 43pts
JDB 19g 16a 35 pts

Key difference: DeBrusk is not eligible for arbitration.

 

[BruinDust]

Key difference: DeBrusk is not eligible for arbitration.

It's a factor. Debrusk has less leverage. But I don't think it makes a massive difference. It's not like the player can walk away from an arbitration award and declare himself a UFA.

 

[The Laukomotive]

It's a factor. Debrusk has less leverage. But I don't think it makes a massive difference. It's not like the player can walk away from an arbitration award and declare himself a UFA.

The pressure is on the team to risk an unfavorable arbitration rule, so they cave or compromise - of course the team can walk away from the contract if they don't like it.

Fwiw, I think the AAV will be close but under what Brown got. Shorter term too.

 

[stungun54]

Key difference: DeBrusk is not eligible for arbitration.

good point really didnt notice that. cant see him holding out but never know. doesnt have many choices but to sign in that case unless he
goes to Europe or Russia

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

i see debrusk signing, 2 years, 7.5 million range.

That's reasonable, given some of the other comps. Wondering if Jake's camp wants more years and/or more money.

 

[BruinDust]

The pressure is on the team to risk an unfavorable arbitration rule, so they cave or compromise - of course the team can walk away from the contract if they don't like it.

Fwiw, I think the AAV will be close but under what Brown got. Shorter term too.

Part of the issue is I believe the arbitrator can only choose either the team's proposed number or the player's. He can't just determine the happy middle-ground and impose that number. If the player comes in way too high he hurts his chances of getting a ruling in his favor. The unknown (for us fans) is we don't know how much info either party has about where each stands in terms of what a 1-year/2-year deal would look like prior to the hearing. Could be a lot, could be a little, could be none, I have no idea.

We are in agreement about what a 2-year deal would look like for Debrusk.

 

[DominicT]

Part of the issue is I believe the arbitrator can only choose either the team's proposed number or the player's. He can't just determine the happy middle-ground and impose that number. If the player comes in way too high he hurts his chances of getting a ruling in his favor. The unknown (for us fans) is we don't know how much info either party has about where each stands in terms of what a 1-year/2-year deal would look like prior to the hearing. Could be a lot, could be a little, could be none, I have no idea.

We are in agreement about what a 2-year deal would look like for Debrusk.

That's baseball. In hockey the arbitrator can pick any number between the team's offer and the players request.

 

[b in vancouver]

I think that's how Sweeney sees it too. I think that's how Sweeney approaches all of his negotiations, the Sinden way, take it or leave it. That's why he gets such good deals. People want to stay here, and he draws a hard line.

That said, I'd be lying if I wasn't a bit concerned he's hurting the Bruins reputation as a good place to play. Krug was one of the most popular players on the team and he flat out lied about that negotiation, and got caught out, and then pretty much called Krug a liar by insisting he wasn't lying. He hardballed Pastrnak. He hardballed McAvoy.

I guess you can't have it both ways. Sinden got good deals but nobody wanted to play in Boston when he was in charge. Chiarelli came in and gave everyone "market" rates which led to a bloated bottom6. Sweeney has gone back to drawing the hard line and getting good deals. Time will tell if he's also generating ill will.

I don't know about DeBrusk, but I haven't really seen the hardline approach with other contracts. I think he's more kinda a really good pitchman in these contract negotiations. Just appears like he's good at selling the organization and chance at winning, etc. to players more than hardball. It's not going to work with everyone but... I don't know.

The internal structure is something he seems to be trying to keep together so you're going to miss out on some top guys but it's been pretty effective so far in keeping a very good team on the ice.

And even when it hasn't worked out, like with all the top guys, they've still had The Bruins on their short list - Tavares, Hall, OEL, etc. so I'm comfortable thinking it's still a place guys want to play.

 

[b in vancouver]

i see debrusk signing, 2 years, 7.5 million range.

I like DeBrusk a lot but that's pricey. I'd think that's maybe at the top range of what he's asking for. If you give him $4.25M it better be longer than 2 years.
I'd think, at the moment it'd be closer to the 3M range on a 2 year bridge deal.

 

[BruinDust]

That's baseball. In hockey the arbitrator can pick any number between the team's offer and the players request.

It's funny that's what I used to think, then read (or thought I read) it was the teams number or the players. I know nothing about baseball arbitration.

What do you think about Debrusk's number on a 2-year bridge. Seems a few of us are in agreement it'll be in the 3.5 range.

 

[DominicT]

It's funny that's what I used to think, then read (or thought I read) it was the teams number or the players. I know nothing about baseball arbitration.

What do you think about Debrusk's number on a 2-year bridge. Seems a few of us are in agreement it'll be in the 3.5 range.

I had DeBrusk penciled in at $2.850 for one year. Two years would push it over $3 million.

But then I had Gryz penciled in at $2.5 million for one year, or $3 million for two. Obviously, he signed for longer and more $$$ but his first year came in at $2.25 million and first two years at $3.125, so what do I know? Nothing.

 

[DominicT]

It's funny that's what I used to think, then read (or thought I read) it was the teams number or the players. I know nothing about baseball arbitration.

What do you think about Debrusk's number on a 2-year bridge. Seems a few of us are in agreement it'll be in the 3.5 range.

BTW, in arbitration, the case that popped into my head was Joel Edmundson in 2019. He was seeking $4.2 million while the Blues offered $2.3 million. The arbitrator settled on $3.1 million. They almost always go right down the middle.

 

[BruinDust]

I had DeBrusk penciled in at $2.850 for one year. Two years would push it over $3 million.

But then I had Gryz penciled in at $2.5 million for one year, or $3 million for two. Obviously, he signed for longer and more $$$ but his first year came in at $2.25 million and first two years at $3.125, so what do I know? Nothing.

I argued a few years ago that Marchand was going to come in at around 7.5 million (using Tarasenko as a comparable), and he wasn't even close, so I know about as much as you do.

 

[TSBruins13]

I give Debrusk either

1) 2 years at a 3.15
or
2) 3 years at 3.5

 

[DominicT]

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