Jake calling out deadhead?

[FlyersMania2]

It's replaced +/- as the most grotesquely abused stat

holy crap hey Beef - I didn't recognize the person responding bc of your avatar lololol

 

[Lindberg]

Several people tried to date her

We need to start talking about the new flyers media girl, I'd like to hit on her.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It's replaced +/- as the most grotesquely abused stat

I agree. What I despise is when people treat Corsi as a definitive evaluation metric, ignoring that 4 of the top 6 teams in the stat missed the playoffs, & the team that ranked 24/31 won the Cup.

They are both +/- stats. And I like to look at Corsi with context. But many look at it both in a vacuum & as if it is magical.

 

[Amorgus]

Several people tried to date her

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I'll definitely have her back on that because showing up here to interact was just ****ing fantastic and she was a great sport about it.

Until you people got very creepy. That is why we can't have nice threads.

yea wasnt someone here being super creep mode to her ?

 

[mdm815]

If Jake really does read this, he’ll score a goal tonight and give us a little shoutout celly. I’m thinking beard stroke into bow and arrow. Something outlandish enough that we knows it’s real. And outlandish enough to enshrine as a gif on here.

 

[Willis88]

Jake, I love you from the bottom of my black heart.

 

[Striiker]

In all fairness, there are very few players I wouldn't side with over deadhead if given the opportunity. If deadhead called out say MacDonald and AMac tweeted the same thing, I might find myself in a #Teamdeadhead situation

Even Amac wouldn’t defend Hakstol the way the Hak superfans do.

 

[David St Hubbins]

Jake, I love you from the bottom of my black heart.

And I thank you from the heart of my bottom.

 

[hatcher]

I agree. What I despise is when people treat Corsi as a definitive evaluation metric, ignoring that 4 of the top 6 teams in the stat missed the playoffs, & the team that ranked 24/31 won the Cup.

They are both +/- stats. And I like to look at Corsi with context. But many look at it both in a vacuum & as if it is magical.

Corsi means f*** all.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

I didn't even know that people were down on Jake. He's been pretty much our best player outside of Giroux since he got here, certainly from a statistical standpoint.

 

[Lindberg]

I agree. What I despise is when people treat Corsi as a definitive evaluation metric, ignoring that 4 of the top 6 teams in the stat missed the playoffs, & the team that ranked 24/31 won the Cup.

They are both +/- stats. And I like to look at Corsi with context. But many look at it both in a vacuum & as if it is magical.

I feel like most advanced stats are pretty flawed from an argument standpoint. Hockey has a lot of random variables that don't translate well unlike say baseball.

 

[FlyersMania2]

Even Amac wouldn’t defend Hakstol the way the Hak superfans do.

Correct but if deadhead trashed AMac on here and AMac trash talked him on Twitter, i'd be all in for #Teamdeadhead. That's how much disdain I have for AMac

 

[deadhead]

Why? It's not AMac's fault that Holmgren is a dunce. Would you have turned down that contract?

I judge AMac for what he is, a 3rd pair veteran defenseman who is a stabilizing influence (Flyers season turned around last year when he returned from injury) with the young defensemen. He's the kind of player who fills in while young player develop, there's no question of effort, just limited talent. If Morin was healthy and Myers was ready, he might already be gone, but Myers didn't show enough in preseason (yes, he looks like Tarzan, but played like Cheetah).

He should be on a Schultz type contract (2 year, $4M or so), in which case there would be limited vitriol.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Why? It's not AMac's fault that Holmgren is a dunce. Would you have turned down that contract?

I judge AMac for what he is, a 3rd pair veteran defenseman who is a stabilizing influence (Flyers season turned around last year when he returned from injury) with the young defensemen. He's the kind of player who fills in while young player develop, there's no question of effort, just limited talent. If Morin was healthy and Myers was ready, he might already be gone, but Myers didn't show enough in preseason (yes, he looks like Tarzan, but played like Cheetah).

He should be on a Schultz type contract (2 year, $4M or so), in which case there would be limited vitriol.

If you consider him a 3rd pairing dman, then you must surely consider it to be bad coaching when he is played as a second pairing dman over superior players.

 

[deadhead]

If you consider him a 3rd pairing dman, then you must surely consider it to be bad coaching when he is played as a second pairing dman over superior players.

If there were superior players.
MacDonald is a better PK player than Sanheim right now, and that's the difference in minutes between them.
When Sanheim plays up to his talent, he'll play more TOI than Amac.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If there were superior players.
MacDonald is a better PK player than Sanheim right now, and that's the difference in minutes between them.
When Sanheim plays up to his talent, he'll play more TOI than Amac.

Sanheim is superior to MacDonald. Has been for a while.


So do you believe it is good coaching to play bad players over better players?

 

[Striiker]

Correct but if deadhead trashed AMac on here and AMac trash talked him on Twitter, i'd be all in for #Teamdeadhead. That's how much disdain I have for AMac

Mac sucks, but he doesn’t suck on purpose, just to be a contrarian. At least he can’t help it.

 

[deadhead]

Sanheim is superior to MacDonald. Has been for a while.


So do you believe it is good coaching to play bad players over better players?

That's your amateur opinion, devoid of context.
I don't respect your hockey judgement, so why should I take your opinions seriously?

 

[FlyersMania2]

I absolutely agree that AMac is overpaid but can you actually deny he doesn't make costly mistakes?

For everyone's reading pleasure:

"When MacDonald was on the ice, the Flyers allowed 50.87 CA/60, the second highest mark among Philadelphia defensemen, which suggests that shot suppression might not be his strong suit after all. Shocking, I know. Something that some fans and analysts have used to defend MacDonald and argue in his favor is that he does well at boxing players out and keeping their shots to the outside. How accurate is that though?

Not very, so it seems. These with or without you heat maps look even worse for MacDonald when you remember that he primarily played on the right side of the ice this season, the side in which the Flyers gave up the majority of the scoring chances while he was on the ice. This isn’t exactly surprising given that his expected goals against per 60 is the second highest on the team at 2.24. It goes without saying that MacDonald struggled to suppress both shot quantity and shot quality this season."

 

[FlyersMania2]

Mac sucks, but he doesn’t suck on purpose, just to be a contrarian. At least he can’t help it.

Are you suggesting that because AMac is doing his best, he can't be blamed for stinking? That's participation trophy level apologizing

 

[kudymen]

I absolutely agree that AMac is overpaid but can you actually deny he doesn't make costly mistakes?

For everyone's reading pleasure:

"When MacDonald was on the ice, the Flyers allowed 50.87 CA/60, the second highest mark among Philadelphia defensemen, which suggests that shot suppression might not be his strong suit after all. Shocking, I know. Something that some fans and analysts have used to defend MacDonald and argue in his favor is that he does well at boxing players out and keeping their shots to the outside. How accurate is that though?

Not very, so it seems. These with or without you heat maps look even worse for MacDonald when you remember that he primarily played on the right side of the ice this season, the side in which the Flyers gave up the majority of the scoring chances while he was on the ice. This isn’t exactly surprising given that his expected goals against per 60 is the second highest on the team at 2.24. It goes without saying that MacDonald struggled to suppress both shot quantity and shot quality this season."

Now that we know that

a) this is a performance of a 3rd pairing Dman
b) there was no better option to start on the 2nd pair

I can only imagine how horrible these charts would look for other Dmen! haha

 

[Beef Invictus]

That's your amateur opinion, devoid of context.
I don't respect your hockey judgement, so why should I take your opinions seriously?

That you're throwing this sad little tantrum indicates you have nothing to stand on. You know Sanheim is better, deep down. But you have to keep lying to continue your defense of Hakstol.

 

[Striiker]

Are you suggesting that because AMac is doing his best, he can't be blamed for stinking? That's participation trophy level apologizing

Nope, not at all.

 

[FlyersMania2]

Now that we know that

a) this is a performance of a 3rd pairing Dman
b) there was no better option to start on the 2nd pair

I can only imagine how horrible these charts would look for other Dmen! haha

They don't, he is SECOND highest shots against while on the ice for dmen and third highest TOI for all defenseman. Doesn't sound like a third pairing to me