EspenK
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He also could be worth 4 mill based on his body of work and possible future ...that's why Jarmo gets paid the big bucks.
Jackets talk extension with Foligno
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He also could be worth 4 mill based on his body of work and possible future ...that's why Jarmo gets paid the big bucks.
Viqsi
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Right there with you. I swear, this whole "but, y'know, in a perfect world he really should be an Nth liner" thinking will destroy this team.
EDIT: For the record, I do have a "overkill" threshold w/r/t paying Nick. It's just that that threshold is pretty high. As in, I don't think he should get near Rick Nash money, but below that I can probably live with.
Anybody here remember my comment about Foligno being just as important to Johansen and the team as Johansen is to Foligno and the team? No? Ok.
EspenK
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Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Well, I was going to point out why something like that was probably overlooked, but EspenK beat me to it.
Honestly, I think that's slightly overstating his importance. Slightly. But couple that with other Holy Crusades that you're known for and I have no problem believing that you made such a pronouncement and it got ignored.
A bit over the top maybe.
He's a solid 2nd line guy, playing his ass off for his team and for his family. This will be the biggest contract of his career, the contract this his family lives off of for the rest of their lives. Add in possible ongoing medical expenses associated with his daughter's condition. Its no shocker he seems at times to be playing as if lives depend on it.
I like the guy, hope he scores 40 goals, leads us into the playoffs and gets paid handsomely for the effort. Now will I feel the same in 2 years if he's hitting the cap for 5 mill and scoring 15-20 goals a season? I'll figure that out then. He's a heart and soul guy, and I'm willing to bet, if healthy, he'll produce one way or another for this team for years to come.
Double-Shift Lasse
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If you mesh the skills of Nash and Zherdev and added in some grit and heart you get Nick Foligno.
Fro
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no but I remember the Coach's post on The Union Blue about the With or Without You stats that showed Foligno made basically everyone better...
I'll own up, I said I thought he was replaceable with someone cheaper than he'll command, but if this is the Nick Foligno we'll get going forward, I'm ok with paying him
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Pay Nick and pay him handsomely. There really isn't any question about it, to me. You don't get any more core than Nick Foligno on the Jackets. Worse case scenario, provided Jarmo wisely balances dollars and term against the inclusion of an NMC (I know, Jarmo and wise don't really go together that well), Nick will likely be tradable.
But it's a fool's game IMO to start massaging Nick's cap hit against the potential of prospects. And as has been pointed out, should have happened already.
But it's a fool's game IMO to start massaging Nick's cap hit against the potential of prospects. And as has been pointed out, should have happened already.
CBJfan4evr
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Thinking close to 5.3+; I think term will be the sticking point. what do you think on term? 3 years?
I'm thinking five years. If you and I are both right, he'd end up with Horton's contract.
It depends on how he scores for the rest of the year, but I would think 5.3 x 3 is a big hometown discount. And I think the market will put him at 6 or so. I'm guessing the most he could get on the market is 6 x 6.
I think Foligno will always be valuable even if he's not a top scorer. 6 or 7 years with him should be okay.
EspenK
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Valuable yes but how valuable is the question. That's the tricky part of this negotiation. If his current pace continues he's a 70+ guy. I personally hope but don't believe that pace will continue and I can see him somewhere around 55 for the season. That would be about a .5 ppg avg from here on out. Projecting that over a full season that's 41 pts.
So lets say his range going forward is 40-60 pts per year with my thought being he most likely will average in the 45-50 range. Throw in the intangibles and what's that worth?
No more than Dubi money and term imo. If I were Jarmo I'd shoot for a bit less on both but it may take that to get him extended. Throw in the fact he apparently likes Columbus and the likelihood this team gets better over the next 5 years I believe he'll stay if the offer is fair.
I'm going with 5-5.5 a year for 6 years as the deal. Final answer.
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Having been part of this discussion yet but I believe Horton's future has a lot to do with Foligno's next contract. I'm wondering why Horton hasn't been put on LTIR yet. 21 games allows them to do so and collect insurance money essentially getting him off the payroll for the year and certainly off the cap figure (not that it's critical but could be at deadline time).
I'd like to see Nick back. Great team guy, having a great year and has shown flashes of this in the past so I don't see this as a 1 year wonder situation. The sticking point may be term, not money. With the desire to see the young players come up and with several contracts potentially to be impactful within 5 years they may be looking to keep Nick to 4-5 years on his contract. If Horton moves to LTIR and spends the rest of his contract there (not sure if there are recapture penalties if he actually retires) that essentially opens up the money and top 6 spot for Nick long term.
I think if he's re-signed in-season it will be closer to the deadline as they see how Horton's injury situation plays out. If Nick wants 7 years and big money, he's gone at the deadline. That would suck.
I'd like to see Nick back. Great team guy, having a great year and has shown flashes of this in the past so I don't see this as a 1 year wonder situation. The sticking point may be term, not money. With the desire to see the young players come up and with several contracts potentially to be impactful within 5 years they may be looking to keep Nick to 4-5 years on his contract. If Horton moves to LTIR and spends the rest of his contract there (not sure if there are recapture penalties if he actually retires) that essentially opens up the money and top 6 spot for Nick long term.
I think if he's re-signed in-season it will be closer to the deadline as they see how Horton's injury situation plays out. If Nick wants 7 years and big money, he's gone at the deadline. That would suck.
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FWIW, Foligno expresses an interest in staying with the CBJ in this ESPN article:
http://m.espn.go.com/nhl/story?storyId=12042035
http://m.espn.go.com/nhl/story?storyId=12042035
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the "cap relief" only kicks in if/when CBJ come up against the cap.
WannabeFinn
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correct, but does it matter if it isn't "taken off" until we actually NEED it taken off?
also, has Horton even missed enough games to be eligible for the Pronger/Savard status yet?
WannabeFinn
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Essentially, "I'm staying. Just pay me what I'm worth."
Fair enough Nick, fair enough..
Essentially, "I'm staying. Just pay me what I'm worth."
Fair enough Nick, fair enough..
Exactly, just pay the man, we need to keep the hug going at any costs!
But in all seriousness, they both are going to get paid what they are worth this summer. I think they pay them accordingly not only because they deserve it, but to show players like Johansen (RFAs) if you produce, we will pay you what you're worth when you are a UFA.
