Rumor: Jackets looking at Perron/Anisimov deal?

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Or the Caps were with Martin Erat? Strange things happen.

Not strange. Desperate. I don't think that the Caps were desperate for Erat. The Jackets were never desperate for Dubinsky; it took Nash asking to be traded.

Sure we could see it happen; but not based on anything that we can see right now.

 

[Pbober]

Arty ruled out for Monday's game

For what it's worth, Arty is ruled out for Monday's game. TR states it is not a concussion...Could he be headed out of town?

 

[WannabeFinn]

For what it's worth, Arty is ruled out for Monday's game. TR states it is not a concussion...Could he be headed out of town?

He's injured it just isn't a concussion.

 

[Xoggz22]

Jenner is showing he is not ready to play center yet. A 3C must be a beast on faceoffs, especially in the defensive zone. To be effective, he must finish in the Offensive Zone more than he starts there. Look at his production to date

Defensive Zone Faceoff Win 44.2%
Offensive Zone Faceoff Win 41.8%
Neutral Zone Faceoff Win 51.9%
Overall Faceoff 46.1%

5 on 5 Puck Possession
He has been given easier starts: 52.2% in the Offensive Zone
He finishes more often than not in the Defensive Zone- Offensive Zone Finishes 47.2%

I love Jenner's game and in another year or two he may be ready.

The Jackets would use a very valuable commodity, a big two way center to acquire a skilled winger at the right time. Nothing in my post requires that wing play on the 3rd line.

If Dubinsky is the 2C for years to come, then where does Wennberg fit? He is not suited to play in the bottom 6.

Dubi would be the 3C...

 

[TaketheCannoli]

Dubi would be the 3C...

You may want to look at his cap hit and figure out how to build a winner with 3rd liners making almost $6 million per season. It just doesn't work.

 

[WannabeFinn]

You may want to look at his cap hit and figure out how to build a winner with 3rd liners making almost $6 million per season. It just doesn't work.

Mike Richards in LA? He's even 4th line

 

[CBJx614]

We're still arguing over line #s?

Smh our success was because we didn't have established 1-2-3 lines

 

[EspenK]

You may want to look at his cap hit and figure out how to build a winner with 3rd liners making almost $6 million per season. It just doesn't work.

See Finn & Slightly replies above.

Also consider that if Wennberg is successful he is going to be on entry level for two more years then can probably be resigned for 2-3 years at less than 3 mill. To me the math works.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

Mike Richards in LA? He's even 4th line

Not sure if joking. If you're serious take a look at the Kings salaries. They have some serious home discounts going on that allow for Richards contract for now.

 

[niflheim]

Not sure if joking. If you're serious take a look at the Kings salaries. They have some serious home discounts going on that allow for Richards contract for now.

 

[Viqsi]

You may want to look at his cap hit and figure out how to build a winner with 3rd liners making almost $6 million per season. It just doesn't work.

I swear to G-d I am so sick of this "third line is supposed to be low-cost suckage" trope. Call it "having three second lines" if you desperately need to have some sort of ordinal designation. Players like Dubinsky make other players better, so put whoever the hell you like on his wing.

We don't have a "bottom 6" in the traditional sense. We never have. We have one defensive/energy/****-stirring line and three two-way lines. Wennberg can be a #2C on the third second line. Whatever. I don't care. Just please, please, PLEASE just ****ing quit it already with this "he's not bottom-6 and we already have two okay centers, so there's no room for him" mishegaas. Our roster construction for the last several YEARS has not followed that pattern and hasn't had to.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

I swear to G-d I am so sick of this "third line is supposed to be low-cost suckage" trope. Call it "having three second lines" if you desperately need to have some sort of ordinal designation. Players like Dubinsky make other players better, so put whoever the hell you like on his wing.

We don't have a "bottom 6" in the traditional sense. We never have. We have one defensive/energy/****-stirring line and three two-way lines. Wennberg can be a #2C on the third second line. Whatever. I don't care. Just please, please, PLEASE just ****ing quit it already with this "he's not bottom-6 and we already have two okay centers, so there's no room for him" mishegaas. Our roster construction for the last several YEARS has not followed that pattern and hasn't had to.

You totally missed my point. Because this team is well stocked with young talent, the Bill will be coming due in the next few years. Cap management is going to become extremely critical. I would much rather follow Lombardi's example than Tallon's or Holmgren's but I question whether the Jackets players will play along.

 

[blahblah]

Thread isn't relevant anymore.

 

[niflheim]

Players like Dubinsky make other players better, so put whoever the hell you like on his wing

Player contribution in hockey. Dubinsky the 60 nd( nearly ) most valuable player in the league. But we had better players like Gaborik, Horton, Carter (here this controversial analytical method https://statistics.wharton.upenn.edu/files/whdmsaction=public:main.file&fileID=5967
and here reasonable criticism http://hockeyanalysis.com/2013/06/1...d-all-encompassing-player-evaluation-metrics/ ) Two years ago Dubinsky was aggressively shopped by NYR ( for scoring help), Canucks had interest but in Canucks opinion price was too high (then) for 3C. Any way Dubinsky better than Del Zotto ( we wanted Del Zotto), but his cap hit will be possibly problematic in some years (if our C axis will be McDavid-Johansen-Wennberg -Dubinsky for example)

We don't have a "bottom 6" in the traditional sense. We never have.

and we never had

 

[CBJx614]

Player contribution in hockey. Dubinsky the 60 nd( nearly ) most valuable player in the league. But we had better players like Gaborik, Horton, Carter (here this controversial analytical method https://statistics.wharton.upenn.edu/files/whdmsaction=public:main.file&fileID=5967
and here reasonable criticism http://hockeyanalysis.com/2013/06/1...d-all-encompassing-player-evaluation-metrics/ ) Two years ago Dubinsky was aggressively shopped by NYR ( for scoring help), Canucks had interest but in Canucks opinion price was too high (then) for 3C. Any way Dubinsky better than Del Zotto ( we wanted Del Zotto), but his cap hit will be possibly problematic in some years (if our C axis will be McDavid-Johansen-Wennberg -Dubinsky for example)

and we never had

Getting Mcdavid or Eichel completely changes how we handle players like Dubinsky, Jenner, Wennberg, Anisimov and possibly (but doubtful) Johansen. Right now it's still just a fairy tale dream, but it would shake up everything. Anisimov (if he's still here at the draft) would DEFINITELY be moved, a decision would be made if Jenner and/or Wennberg would be stuck at wing or shipped out IMO. We desperately need to solidify our backend and even though we have promising players upcoming in the system we need a top pairing dependable Dman to guide them and mentor them. Tyutin will be too old by then and I don't see anyone else being ready by then.

 

[Xoggz22]

You may want to look at his cap hit and figure out how to build a winner with 3rd liners making almost $6 million per season. It just doesn't work.

I know what his cap hit is and also know when this team is playing well we roll 4 lines and the only line that would be close to a "classic NHL line" is the current 4th line. I get what you are saying but this isn't the 80's or 90's NHL any more.

 

[Jovavic]

Arty heard the Oiler rumors and decided to injury himself, well played.

Looking at his FO stats I'd stay the triceps have been bothering him for awhile