Prospect Info: Jack Hughes

[JimEIV]

Eichel is darn close, at .906.

And he's only 22 years old. Holy hell, what one earth do some of you people want?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I think you came late to the conversation. The important part was I think Eichel was better in his draft year than Hughes and I don't think Eichel is a superstar...very good player for sure but not one who is going to put up multiple 100 point seasons.

I would be very happy to have a PPG center in Hughes...or even near it

 

[Emperoreddy]

Which is why some pointed out they thinking Hughes will score 80 next year is absurd.

 

[Offseason Champs]

I think 31st overall in scoring over the past 3 years is definitely "star" status. Eichel played 40 less games in that timespan than the other guys around him like Benn/Pavelski/Kopitar. Similar production to Matthews (205 in 212) and to a less extent Stamkos (204 in 177)

So yeah. That's a bonafide star. Someone who you can build a franchise around. If we get a player like that we should be over the moon since we need another one. Nico will hopefully blossom into one, but if we can have Hughes/Nico/Hall turning into near ppg players, we're gonna be in the conversation for a long time.

 

[devilsblood]

Which is why some pointed out they thinking Hughes will score 80 next year is absurd.

All about the opportunities he get's right?

Who are his line mates? Does he get top PP duties? Average toi?

And does he hold up over a whole season?

Even if all goes right I'd be stoked with 60 points. If he goes for 80, then yeah, superstar.

 

[Emperoreddy]

All about the opportunities he get's right?

Who are his line mates? Does he get top PP duties? Average toi?

And does he hold up over a whole season?

Even if all goes right I'd be stoked with 60 points. If he goes for 80, then yeah, superstar.

I would say anywhere between 40-60 depending on the circumstances like you said. Linemates. How much PP time he gets. Did we actually retool it from the crap show of last season. Health of course.

I would be fine with that depending on said circumstances.

 

[devilsblood]

I would say anywhere between 40-60 depending on the circumstances like you said. Linemates. How much PP time he gets. Did we actually retool it from the crap show of last season. Health of course.

I would be fine with that depending on said circumstances.

I'd be less then thrilled with a 40 point season. Especially if he is getting PP time, which I think he will get.

Nico went for 50 as a rookie, while getting little pp time. Sure he was with Hall and that is significant, but Nico is more of a 2 way guy while Hughes looks to be a more pure offensive player.

I'm setting the happily accepted point floor at 50.

 

[devilsblood]

What McDavid is doing is beyond special. You can’t use him as the standard to judge everyone else.

Why it isn’t wrong to argue he is the only generational player right now.

Eichel deserved to go where he went though. He is very good. If Hughes reaches his level we should be thrilled.

By definition we shouldn't have more then one right? We certainly should not see one at the top of the draft every other year. Or even crazier two in one year.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I dont get the thinking that anything under 60 is considered reasonable. Again this kid cant do too much to upset me in his first year but Ill just say this

Hischier put up 53 as a rookie with no PP time, and this kid is over twice the prospect of Hischier. So what makes someone think he will struggle to reach Hischiers numbers, let alone blow by them?

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

By definition we shouldn't have more then one right? We certainly should not see one at the top of the draft every other year. Or even crazier two in one year.

thats being too stingy

so youre saying one of Crosby or Ovechkin wasnt generational?

 

[devilsblood]

I think that "G word" is the problem, way too overused.

But if you go back and read the professional draft profiles on Eichel, and see what he's done in the 3'ish years since, I think the pro scouts were pretty spot-on.

And now people are parsing the scouting reports to include "generational hands" or "generational skating" which is some eye rolling worthy type of stuff.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

And now people are parsing the scouting reports to include "generational hands" or "generational skating" which is some eye rolling worthy type of stuff.

he most certainly has close to generational skating, and I dont ever use that word

No prospect besides McDavid since Crosby was as good a skater

 

[devilsblood]

thats being too stingy

so youre saying one of Crosby or Ovechkin wasnt generational?

But by definition shouldn't we only see one such player in a generation?

Now Ovie is the best goal scorer of his era.

And Crosby the best overall player in his era.

But are these guys, along with McDavid and Matthews, I guess throw Kucherov in there, throw in Kane's hands, Karlsson's mustache, are all these guys generational? And Hughes might be another?

At some point you have to admit the term is way watered down.

 

[devilsblood]

he most certainly has close to generational skating, and I dont ever use that word

No prospect besides McDavid since Crosby was as good a skater

So Hughes and McDavid and Crosby, who will all be in the league at the same time, are all generational skaters?

Maybe I don't understand the term.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

But by definition shouldn't we only see one such player in a generation?

Now Ovie is the best goal scorer of his era.

And Crosby the best overall player in his era.

But are these guys, along with McDavid and Matthews, I guess throw Kucherov in there, throw in Kane's hands, Karlsson's mustache, are all these guys generational? And Hughes might be another?

At some point you have to admit the term is way watered down.

Crosby Ovechkin McDavid are the only generational players right now

and Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer ever but i digress

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

So Hughes and McDavid and Crosby, who will all be in the league at the same time, are all generational skaters?

Maybe I don't understand the term.

well i said near generational skating because he doesnt have the extra strength and speed of McDavid, Crosby has the most defined skating of the three but that wont last much longer

 

[devilsblood]

And while Hughes looks like a super smooth skater, McDavid's speed puts him in another category imo.

 

[devilsblood]

Crosby Ovechkin McDavid are the only generational players right now

and Ovechkin is the greatest goal scorer ever but i digress

So is 3 the limit?

And what do you have against D-men?

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

So is 3 the limit?

And what do you have against D-men?

to be honest? I consider Chara generational as for his physique

 

[devilsblood]

Truthfully, since 1980(probably even earlier) I think there have been 2 legit generational talents in Gretzky and Lemieux. Their careers just so happened to over lap. But in the strict sense of the term I think that is it.

 

[glenwo2]

I am still trying to figure out how good Hughes is. So I am watching as much video as possible...

I found this shift by shift vs Minnesota

Hughes sets up a goal at 15:33 - and he sets up another at 21:34 that is disallowed for goalie interference - but he literally is making something happen on every shift...another interesting thing is as the game goes on Hughes is practically being shadowed. Sometimes two and three defenders are going to him especially in the 2nd period.



If anyone is interested in the Minnesota roster - this team has 9 players 22 years old and over. They weren't very good (mediocre) this year but there are 12 NHL drafted players on the Golden Gopher squad.

U. of Minnesota 2018-19 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

8:28 of the Vid :

"The Red Wings Ken Holland is here......Here's Hughes and they're watching Hughes with interest"

So sad for them that Hughes is now bound for Devils Land.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Truthfully, since 1980(probably even earlier) I think there have been 2 legit generational talents in Gretzky and Lemieux. Their careers just so happened to over lap. But in the strict sense of the term I think that is it.

I see Crosby as better than both and McDavid to surpass all of them

but i also look at talent and skill as its own thing and not part of greatness. Gretzky may be the greatest to ever play and could remain that for a very long time, but Crosby and eventually McDavid are more skilled and so will the next generational talents behind them as hockey is an evolving sport

 

[devilsblood]

I see Crosby as better than both and McDavid to surpass all of them

but i also look at talent and skill as its own thing and not part of greatness. Gretzky may be the greatest to ever play and could remain that for a very long time, but Crosby and eventually McDavid are more skilled and so will the next generational talents behind them as hockey is an evolving sport

Crosby has 2 scoring titles. Martin St Louis also had 2 during the Crosby era.

Gretzky had 11.

Hockey like all sports is progressive, players build upon the foundation laid down by the players before them, so players will be more skilled then the generation before them.

Now Gretzky was not a pure skills guy, he was just Gretzky. But Lemieux might be the most talented player to ever play the game. Even in an inury riddled career, complete with a bout with cancer, and a good amount of those years playing in a league with Gretzky, he had 6 scoring titles.

Crosby is not in the same realm.

 

[glenwo2]

Hey Everybody!!

Remember that report about Hughes scoring SIX points against Switzerland that no one could find highlights on?


FOUND IT!

 

[My3Sons]

I see Crosby as better than both and McDavid to surpass all of them

but i also look at talent and skill as its own thing and not part of greatness. Gretzky may be the greatest to ever play and could remain that for a very long time, but Crosby and eventually McDavid are more skilled and so will the next generational talents behind them as hockey is an evolving sport

Did you ever see Gretzky play live? It was a thing of magic. Every single play was perfect. Every pass every shot every dangle or change of speed or direction. It was like he was viewing the ice from above while playing on it. Truly incredible.

Did you ever see LeMieux play live? He had two careers pre and post injury. Before his back started hurting too badly he could play keep away with the puck pretty much at will from other NHL caliber players. His size strength and reach combined for an insanely complete player. Even after the injuries mounted you’d go to a game he’d score two goals and have two assists and you amazed because all he did was stay up at the blue line in the defensive zone and he rarely went lower than the slot in the offensive zone. Again it was remarkable.

I see McDavid’s speed as creating moments like those two but I’m not sure about CROSBY.

As an aside, you are so stoked about HUGHES and your enthusiasm is fun but some of your comments suggest he walks into the league and takes it by storm and doesn’t look back from there. What about his game tells you he will be that amazing? I’m not challenging you or disagreeing with you I am just curious since you are so over the moon about him - seemingly way more than STI

 

[Emperoreddy]

I'd be less then thrilled with a 40 point season. Especially if he is getting PP time, which I think he will get.

Nico went for 50 as a rookie, while getting little pp time. Sure he was with Hall and that is significant, but Nico is more of a 2 way guy while Hughes looks to be a more pure offensive player.

I'm setting the happily accepted point floor at 50.

I don’t know how quickly he will adjust to the pro game. Nico adjusted quicker then some expected, but it’s not always a given.

I could be way too cautious and he easily wins the Calder with 65+ points, but better to be cautious.

One thing in Hughes favor he is shouldn’t take as bad a beating as Nico did his rookie year. Nico along with Hall will still draw the most attention, and both Zajac and Zacha can anchor lines to do heavy defensive lifting as well. Might free Hughes up to out do rookie Nico.